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Old 08-21-17, 04:44 AM   #1
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Certainly doesn't look good
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Old 08-21-17, 06:25 AM   #2
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So for those that went on it, is there somewhere onboard that seems more likely to cause an accidental death? Is there like a long drop coming down from the bridge if you lose handhold on the railing or something?

Even then his reactions don't make sense. It seems more plausible that whatever happened was something where he believed he would be found negligent in her death.
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The BBC are also covering the story , but fairly briefly.
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Old 08-21-17, 03:40 PM   #4
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So for those that went on it, is there somewhere onboard that seems more likely to cause an accidental death? Is there like a long drop coming down from the bridge if you lose handhold on the railing or something?

Even then his reactions don't make sense. It seems more plausible that whatever happened was something where he believed he would be found negligent in her death.
I did not go on the vessel, but having spent many years in EMS, I can attest there are many ways to die or be injured that you cannot imagine without serious inebriation.

I have used the Jaws of Life on a Lazy Boy recliner.

One of the case studies we had to do in school was for a lady who was on an exercise bike and the seat broke, with the post impaling her quite deeply.

Simple incidents or mundane things can be become life threatening when applied in the right way.

That said, the rest of the story is bizarre. You only bury at sea if there is no chance of returning the body to shore for a proper burial.

If it truly was an accident, then all you have to do is radio for help and there might be an investigation, but accidents usually get cleared. A slap on the wrist for negligence is nothing compared to a murder sentence.
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Old 08-21-17, 04:04 PM   #5
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This is the Danish law about crime:
https://www.retsinformation.dk/Forms...aspx?id=192080

§ 139. Den, som krænker gravfreden eller gør sig skyldig i usømmelig behandling af lig, straffes med bøde eller fængsel indtil 6 måneder.

Basically, when the body is found, and if the police cannot prove that it was intensional (murder) or prove that she died because of an unintended behaviour (manslaughter), then he can - to my knowledge - only be accused of misshandling a dead body in a bad manner, for which the penalty will be a maximum of 6 months in jail.
Burying her body at sea, which clearly was unnecessary due to the short distance to land, he probably faces at least the 6 months.
Now, the coming days of investigation from the police will then hopefully tell us more about the truth: what really happend.

IF the body found today, which only is a torso, proves to be KW, then that fact and the fact that Nautilus went down doesn't make it look good for PM.

This article:
https://www.information.dk/telegram/...mager?lst_frnt
tells us that this body has been in the water for several days, so we'll have to wait several days too for the optopsy, where they investigate DNA and whatever they search for.

Well, to be continued...
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Old 08-21-17, 04:43 PM   #6
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Do dead people wash up in Copenhagen often?
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Do dead people wash up in Copenhagen often?
It's rare enough that this is almost certainly her.
But untill she is identified, there is a chance that it isnt her.
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Old 08-22-17, 05:31 AM   #8
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We have been anchoring near Moen's Klint (the second protruding languet south of Kopenhagen, protruding from the west) overnight some years ago, until storm and swell forced us to get away and ride it out at 2 a.m.
Wind and current can be quite strong there, but i doubt that she would have been found at the place mentioned.

Does not look good, but still – innocent until his guilt is really proven.
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It's rare enough that this is almost certainly her.
But untill she is identified, there is a chance that it isnt her.
Either way, this is a tragedy twice over.
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Can you please stay in topic?
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The BBC take on current developments:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41007410

Not looking good at all
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