to weather or not to weather...

CB.. · 08-09-06, 10:30 AM

ok first of all the obligatory..i have no idea if this is implemented in any of the many super mods allready so ....lets not get into that area...suffice it to say that if it has allready been implemented then well done one and all...!!

ok...whew ...

this more or less completely resolves the two week storm trouble occasionaly experienced by most of us at some time or another..

i had noticed that it wasn't that the weather didn't actually change for two weeks game time..it was more a case of the weather changes being so minor that it hardly made any difference in game...

in the mission editor you will notice that for the weather you have the option of setting all weather changes to either minor or major...

setting all the options to major changes gives you tangible weather changes even during a protracted strom and vastly reduces the chances of a storm lasting any longer than a day or so...same with all other weather conditions..

here's the campaign.rnd weather section for major weather changes only

[Mission]
Title=
MissionType=0
MissionDataType=1
Year=1939
Month=1
Day=1
Hour=12
Minute=0
Fog=1
FogRand=2
Clouds=1
CloudsRand=2
Precip=1
PrecipRand=2
WindHeading=0
WindSpeed=7.000000
WindRand=2
WeatherRndInterval=2
SeaType=0
Briefing=

//////////////////

it's the CloudsRand=2 that sets the changes for clouds to major..(1 is minor)
same with fogrand windrand etc etc

once you have edited the RND file ...you need to wake the settings up (another oddity with SH3) so start your career patrol and go on a protracted cruise some where and back and once the system has woken up and kicked in it is there from the start on each patrol as default---you do seem to need to do this with weather changes ..even cloud texture changes seem to require the wake up period..(don't ask me why..a cache of some sort perhaps i dunno)

anyhuw this gives you a much more dynamic and unpredictable weather sytem with changes running fairly constantly and allways noticable...makes it very likely that for example when approaching a convoy in thick fog....you can wait a few hours and it is likely the fog will lift or vice versa...as the weather conditions will change as per the weather randinterval and each change will be a substantail and noticable change..with minor changes the change might have been a slight change in wind speed..with major you will get only serious changes in weather...

blah blah etc..you get the picture..

originally suggested by Col7777 quite some time ago if i remember correctly..
been tested over many months now and it's as solid as a rock..

What A? · 08-09-06, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CB..

blah blah etc..you get the picture..

Yeah I got it and realy want to say: Thank you soooo much!!! and thanks Col7777. Becuse for the last six patrols it has only being nice weather.... never got a serious storm on my whole career. When did the Atlantic got that calm?
I'm sick and tired of it... I want to be soo seasick that I don't even want to see a glas of water ever again.

:rotfl:

CB.. · 08-09-06, 11:35 AM

just start a new patrol and sail untill the weather changes...once the weather has changed once ..you know it has kicked in and the edit should be running as default from then on..

rowi58 · 08-09-06, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CB..

just start a new patrol and sail untill the weather changes...once the weather has changed once ..you know it has kicked in and the edit should be running as default from then on..

That's it. Many thanks CB for this sollution of a big, big problem. Now it is clear that you will sail for weeks in stormy and fogy weather - the default value for all *RAND=0 (No Changes).

Thanks a lot

rowi58

bigboywooly · 08-09-06, 02:15 PM

Nice one CB

Well spotted

bert8for3 · 08-09-06, 02:44 PM

Is this compatible with selecting "seasonal" for wave height in SH3Cmdr?

Kpt. Lehmann · 08-09-06, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bert8for3

Is this compatible with selecting "seasonal" for wave height in SH3Cmdr?

Yes. Selecting seasonal wave height in SH3 Commander is independant from the weather changes.

Myxale · 08-09-06, 03:38 PM

Cool stuff CB mate!

Hartmann · 08-09-06, 07:07 PM

Yes i noticied this behaviour time ago.

For example the campaing file has a very different settings that the training or single missions.

i was tired of the same weather when playing the convoy attack mission in the academy i noticied tha the weather was a lot different if i sails during days or weeks .

Convoy Attack Training Mission-------------------------------------------------------------
[Mission]
Fog=0
FogRand=0
Clouds=1
CloudsRand=1
Precip=0
PrecipRand=0
WindHeading=95
WindSpeed=2.000000
WindRand=1
WeatherRndInterval=2
SeaType=0
Actual Campaign SCR-------------------------------------------------------------
[Mission]
Fog=0
FogRand=0
Clouds=0
CloudsRand=0
Precip=0
PrecipRand=0
WindHeading=0
WindSpeed=5.000000
WindRand=0
WeatherRndInterval=5
SeaType=0

in the old forums there were some threads about weather and randomization.
if some one is interested there are program that adds random values in the files.

"Sh3 weather" of Skweetis

kapitanfred · 08-09-06, 07:23 PM

Excellent, I've made the changes to the campaign.rnd file and just waiting now for the weather effect to kick in. So far clear weather only.

CB.. · 08-10-06, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kapitanfred

Excellent, I've made the changes to the campaign.rnd file and just waiting now for the weather effect to kick in. So far clear weather only.

hit time excell and travel across the atlantic or similar...it may take some time ...even weeks game time...but once the weather has changed your sorted..must be some form of cache regarding the weather settings etc..you need to clear the old settings

bert8for3 · 08-10-06, 06:03 AM

Tks KL.

... Where's the file campaign.rnd?

THE_MASK · 08-10-06, 06:50 AM

XP/start/mycomputer/local disc/program files/ubisoft/silenthunter3/data/campaigns/campaign/campaign_rnd/

bert8for3 · 08-10-06, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sober

XP/start/mycomputer/local disc/program files/ubisoft/silenthunter3/data/campaigns/campaign/campaign_rnd/

Tks much

f1l1pp0 · 08-10-06, 09:05 AM

Hi to all .... sorry but i didn't understand all :

some questions
1- can i do this changes in a middle of a patrol or only at start of it?
2- ...the system has woken up and kicked in it ... does it mean that when the weather is changed the parameters in .rnd file back to original set? I must change it every patrol or everytime before load a savegames?
3- i edited my campaign.rnd file via notepad: GW1.1a rnd file
i have this:
[Mission]
Title=
MissionType=0
MissionDataType=1
Year=1939
Month=1
Day=1
Hour=12
Minute=0
Fog=0
FogRand=0
Clouds=1
CloudsRand=1
Precip=0
PrecipRand=1
WindHeading=358
WindSpeed=0
WindRand=1
WeatherRndInterval=11
SeaType=0
Briefing=
this is the default situation in sh3GW or it is my middle patrol's situation? I have to change it with the CB..'s parameters (my windheading and weatherintervall are so different...)?
4- what's about the timecompression? the randomization still work? What TC i'd have to use for changes?

tnx in advance, sorry for my engl

08-09-06, 10:30 AM	#1
CB.. Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,278 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	to weather or not to weather... ok first of all the obligatory..i have no idea if this is implemented in any of the many super mods allready so ....lets not get into that area...suffice it to say that if it has allready been implemented then well done one and all...!! ok...whew ... this more or less completely resolves the two week storm trouble occasionaly experienced by most of us at some time or another.. i had noticed that it wasn't that the weather didn't actually change for two weeks game time..it was more a case of the weather changes being so minor that it hardly made any difference in game... in the mission editor you will notice that for the weather you have the option of setting all weather changes to either minor or major... setting all the options to major changes gives you tangible weather changes even during a protracted strom and vastly reduces the chances of a storm lasting any longer than a day or so...same with all other weather conditions.. here's the campaign.rnd weather section for major weather changes only [Mission] Title= MissionType=0 MissionDataType=1 Year=1939 Month=1 Day=1 Hour=12 Minute=0 Fog=1 FogRand=2 Clouds=1 CloudsRand=2 Precip=1 PrecipRand=2 WindHeading=0 WindSpeed=7.000000 WindRand=2 WeatherRndInterval=2 SeaType=0 Briefing= ////////////////// it's the CloudsRand=2 that sets the changes for clouds to major..(1 is minor) same with fogrand windrand etc etc once you have edited the RND file ...you need to wake the settings up (another oddity with SH3) so start your career patrol and go on a protracted cruise some where and back and once the system has woken up and kicked in it is there from the start on each patrol as default---you do seem to need to do this with weather changes ..even cloud texture changes seem to require the wake up period..(don't ask me why..a cache of some sort perhaps i dunno) anyhuw this gives you a much more dynamic and unpredictable weather sytem with changes running fairly constantly and allways noticable...makes it very likely that for example when approaching a convoy in thick fog....you can wait a few hours and it is likely the fog will lift or vice versa...as the weather conditions will change as per the weather randinterval and each change will be a substantail and noticable change..with minor changes the change might have been a slight change in wind speed..with major you will get only serious changes in weather... blah blah etc..you get the picture.. originally suggested by Col7777 quite some time ago if i remember correctly.. been tested over many months now and it's as solid as a rock.. __________________ the world's tinyiest sh3 supermod- and other SH3/SH2 stuff http://www.ebort2.co.uk/ The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. W.B.Yeats Last edited by CB..; 08-09-06 at 10:33 AM.

08-09-06, 11:35 AM	#3
CB.. Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,278 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	just start a new patrol and sail untill the weather changes...once the weather has changed once ..you know it has kicked in and the edit should be running as default from then on.. __________________ the world's tinyiest sh3 supermod- and other SH3/SH2 stuff http://www.ebort2.co.uk/ The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. W.B.Yeats

08-09-06, 02:15 PM	#5
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Nice one CB Well spotted __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

08-09-06, 07:07 PM	#9
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Yes i noticied this behaviour time ago. For example the campaing file has a very different settings that the training or single missions. i was tired of the same weather when playing the convoy attack mission in the academy i noticied tha the weather was a lot different if i sails during days or weeks . Convoy Attack Training Mission------------------------------------------------------------- [Mission] Fog=0 FogRand=0 Clouds=1 CloudsRand=1 Precip=0 PrecipRand=0 WindHeading=95 WindSpeed=2.000000 WindRand=1 WeatherRndInterval=2 SeaType=0 Actual Campaign SCR------------------------------------------------------------- [Mission] Fog=0 FogRand=0 Clouds=0 CloudsRand=0 Precip=0 PrecipRand=0 WindHeading=0 WindSpeed=5.000000 WindRand=0 WeatherRndInterval=5 SeaType=0 in the old forums there were some threads about weather and randomization. if some one is interested there are program that adds random values in the files. "Sh3 weather" of Skweetis __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

08-09-06, 07:23 PM	#10
kapitanfred Planesman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: South Australia Posts: 191 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	Excellent, I've made the changes to the campaign.rnd file and just waiting now for the weather effect to kick in. So far clear weather only. Last edited by kapitanfred; 08-09-06 at 07:30 PM.

08-09-06, 02:44 PM	#6
bert8for3 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,124 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	Is this compatible with selecting "seasonal" for wave height in SH3Cmdr?

08-09-06, 03:38 PM	#8
Myxale Admiral Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: PQ AN 25 Posts: 2,178 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	Cool stuff CB mate!

08-10-06, 06:03 AM	#12
bert8for3 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,124 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	Tks KL. ... Where's the file campaign.rnd?

08-10-06, 06:50 AM	#13
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	XP/start/mycomputer/local disc/program files/ubisoft/silenthunter3/data/campaigns/campaign/campaign_rnd/

08-10-06, 09:05 AM	#15
f1l1pp0 Nub Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: italy Posts: 4 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Hi to all .... sorry but i didn't understand all : some questions 1- can i do this changes in a middle of a patrol or only at start of it? 2- ...the system has woken up and kicked in it ... does it mean that when the weather is changed the parameters in .rnd file back to original set? I must change it every patrol or everytime before load a savegames? 3- i edited my campaign.rnd file via notepad: GW1.1a rnd file i have this: [Mission] Title= MissionType=0 MissionDataType=1 Year=1939 Month=1 Day=1 Hour=12 Minute=0 Fog=0 FogRand=0 Clouds=1 CloudsRand=1 Precip=0 PrecipRand=1 WindHeading=358 WindSpeed=0 WindRand=1 WeatherRndInterval=11 SeaType=0 Briefing= this is the default situation in sh3GW or it is my middle patrol's situation? I have to change it with the CB..'s parameters (my windheading and weatherintervall are so different...)? 4- what's about the timecompression? the randomization still work? What TC i'd have to use for changes? tnx in advance, sorry for my engl