What's the difference between Sub Command and DW?

bigmammal · 09-14-05, 09:24 AM

I haven't yet bought Dangerous Waters because I don't know if it would give me any drastic differences in play from Sub Command.

Are the submarine models exactly the same just like when they took the game "688I" added a Seawolf and an Akula and called it "Sub Command"?

I realize they added something like 7 other platforms to DW, but if I did get Dangerous Waters, I know me, I'll end up being USS Connecticut everytime (one of my old boats and home state).

Do they model the Jimmy Carter (SSN-23) in this one? She's the odd Seawolf-class ship..

I suppose, just for the sake of gettin' to drive around a Kilo, it's almost worth it... but I'd really like to know if there was any great strides to improve the realism and function of the submarines in the game. :hmm:

Thanks!

Molon Labe · 09-14-05, 09:56 AM

In a sense, it is an evolution from Sub Command, in that the interface is the same. It's a new physics and acoustics model, though.

I don't think it's fair to say DW is just SC with more toys to play with. The addition of surface and air platforms to drive or fight against makes gameplay in DW fundamentally different from SC. It really is a whole new world.

Kapitan · 09-14-05, 10:03 AM

almost the same except you got newer platforms ie MH60 P3C perry frigate and kilo submarine

main thing i found was the akulas diving depth has been reduced from 660 meters (in SCX2C it was 715m) to 585 meters (max i can go to)

but im not to worried as long as it works

highly recomended with patch however i do hope sonalasyst pulls its finger out cause there just gunna be no intrest soon

Rip · 09-14-05, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bigmammal

I haven't yet bought Dangerous Waters because I don't know if it would give me any drastic differences in play from Sub Command.

Are the submarine models exactly the same just like when they took the game "688I" added a Seawolf and an Akula and called it "Sub Command"?

I realize they added something like 7 other platforms to DW, but if I did get Dangerous Waters, I know me, I'll end up being USS Connecticut everytime (one of my old boats and home state).

Do they model the Jimmy Carter (SSN-23) in this one? She's the odd Seawolf-class ship..

I suppose, just for the sake of gettin' to drive around a Kilo, it's almost worth it... but I'd really like to know if there was any great strides to improve the realism and function of the submarines in the game. :hmm:

Thanks!

Well shipmate, from a fellow one time bubblehead. It is much improved as far as enjoyment. The platforms are all fun and add the enjoyable chance to see how the other half fares. Very cool to see how the other half lives and dies. I have a new respect for the skimmer pukes and airdale sissies

Also the MP can rock. God save the fools that should come to face a couple subs with 2 or 3 guys with experience manning them. I've also had fun with turning all the auto crews off and playing some SP missions in multistation with some buddies. Hook up to a Teamspeak server and it is like being on the boat with sound powered phones. If I could get someone to tilt my chair back and forth for depth changes I might actually think I was at battlestations

Bill Nichols · 09-14-05, 12:37 PM

The new physics model alone is worth the change. You won't see any 'flying subs'

in Dangerous Waters!

(And, I love the new 'bridge view' when entering/leaving harbor

)

SquidB · 09-14-05, 12:42 PM

DW is lightyears ahead of standard SC, better graphics, more stations, more platforms etc.

Plus its the one that the modders are concerntrating on. The new sound mod and LW realism mod are worth it alone. Oh and dont forget the lovely printed manual if you go for the delux version

bigmammal · 09-14-05, 02:04 PM

Thank you everyone who has replied so far...

I'm gettin' ready to whip out the ol' Visa Card right now... I only wish I didn't have to wait to get my hands on it... but I HAVE to have that printed manaul, good readin' material for the throne!

I'm glad Molon Labe added that the acoustics model has improved, that was my selling point, I hope they made some attempts to improve how the TA's are modeled.

I'm really hoping they added some new acoustic propagation paths and enhanced the impact of environment on acoustic performance.

Thanks again, everyone!

09-14-05, 09:24 AM	#1
bigmammal Watch Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Storrs, CT Posts: 16 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What's the difference between Sub Command and DW? I haven't yet bought Dangerous Waters because I don't know if it would give me any drastic differences in play from Sub Command. Are the submarine models exactly the same just like when they took the game "688I" added a Seawolf and an Akula and called it "Sub Command"? I realize they added something like 7 other platforms to DW, but if I did get Dangerous Waters, I know me, I'll end up being USS Connecticut everytime (one of my old boats and home state). Do they model the Jimmy Carter (SSN-23) in this one? She's the odd Seawolf-class ship.. I suppose, just for the sake of gettin' to drive around a Kilo, it's almost worth it... but I'd really like to know if there was any great strides to improve the realism and function of the submarines in the game. :hmm: Thanks! __________________

09-14-05, 10:03 AM	#3
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	almost the same except you got newer platforms ie MH60 P3C perry frigate and kilo submarine main thing i found was the akulas diving depth has been reduced from 660 meters (in SCX2C it was 715m) to 585 meters (max i can go to) but im not to worried as long as it works highly recomended with patch however i do hope sonalasyst pulls its finger out cause there just gunna be no intrest soon __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

09-14-05, 12:37 PM	#5
Bill Nichols Master of Defense Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 1,502 Downloads: 125 Uploads: 0	The new physics model alone is worth the change. You won't see any 'flying subs' in Dangerous Waters! (And, I love the new 'bridge view' when entering/leaving harbor ) __________________ My Dangerous Waters website:

09-14-05, 02:04 PM	#7
bigmammal Watch Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Storrs, CT Posts: 16 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Excellent... Thank you everyone who has replied so far... I'm gettin' ready to whip out the ol' Visa Card right now... I only wish I didn't have to wait to get my hands on it... but I HAVE to have that printed manaul, good readin' material for the throne! I'm glad Molon Labe added that the acoustics model has improved, that was my selling point, I hope they made some attempts to improve how the TA's are modeled. I'm really hoping they added some new acoustic propagation paths and enhanced the impact of environment on acoustic performance. Thanks again, everyone! __________________

09-14-05, 09:56 AM	#2
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	In a sense, it is an evolution from Sub Command, in that the interface is the same. It's a new physics and acoustics model, though. I don't think it's fair to say DW is just SC with more toys to play with. The addition of surface and air platforms to drive or fight against makes gameplay in DW fundamentally different from SC. It really is a whole new world.

09-14-05, 12:42 PM	#6
SquidB Officer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lytham UK Posts: 244 Downloads: 169 Uploads: 0	DW is lightyears ahead of standard SC, better graphics, more stations, more platforms etc. Plus its the one that the modders are concerntrating on. The new sound mod and LW realism mod are worth it alone. Oh and dont forget the lovely printed manual if you go for the delux version