Ship Names Mod

Sailor Steve · 01-26-09, 01:19 PM

I'm sure everybody has seen the new SH3 Commander Release (no, I'm not going to try to remember the complete title. I'll just call it 'The New One!:rotfl: ).
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147237

JScones makes reference to IABL's new Merchant Mod Pack, and to the work I've been doing on ship names. You may have also seen me refer to this from time to time. Now that 'The New One' is out, I can finally say this:

WELCOME TO THE WORLD'S MOST USELESS MOD!

USELESS!? WHY?
Well, it's useless because it doesn't do anything. You're not going to look at it and say "Wow! I've never seen a more beautiful sea or sky!". You're not going to look at it and say "Thanks Steve! Now I finally understand manual targetting!" In fact, you're never going to look at it at all (unless you like looking at boring lists).

SO WHY MAKE A USELESS MOD?
What happened was this: back when the original SH3 Commander was released I played my first patrol, and I sank a Coastal Merchant (now Tramp Steamer) for around 1960 tons. When I finished the patrol it was given the name 'S.S. President Jefferson'. Somehow that didn't sound right to me, so I did some research an found that there were two 'President Jeffersons'. One was a Liberty Ship of around 7176 tons, and the other was an American ocean liner of around 14,000 tons. Neither of these was a small tramp steamer plyingt the east coast of Britain in 1939.

I looked in Commander and found that the list was generic, and decided I wanted to change that. My original plan was to find the tonnage of each ship on the list and make a new list which would contain only ships of that size. As time went on and the research got deeper, people like AG124, Von Dos, AOTD MadMax and of course Iambecomelife were busy making new models, which both game me more leeway to assign ships to not only the proper size, but in more and more cases the proper appearance.

I was talking to JScones, Bigboywooly and IABL, and this led to IABL wanting the new features that Jaesen has added to Commander, and my finally getting some lists done. The Commander 'Generic' list has been reduced from 3500 names to less than 900, and every category in the list now has specific names applied, so any ship you sink will have a very similar tonnage to the actual ship with that name, and several (like T09A, the 'Arrow' tanker) will actually look just like the real ship.

What this all means is that from now on the ship you sink will get a name pretty close to the real one. And that's about it.

I'm not doing a separate release at this time, as the list is included in 'The New One', but my research is ongoing and I plan to release a new update every month or so, with 200-300 new names each time.

The first one will contain appropriate names for IABL's new release, and after that it will just be additional names for each ship class. I have about two years to go before I'm actually done, and the current list has about 9000 names on it.

Here's to realism! Have fun.

bigboywooly · 01-26-09, 01:41 PM

Never a useless mod

One of those files no one notices until there is a problem - ie no ship name
Nicely done Steve

Awful Smutje · 01-26-09, 01:43 PM

USELESS???

Nonono... Accurancy is never useless!

I like these detailed mods. You can feel every bit of love, the modder put in it.

And I'll watch every patrol log and think "Steve I love you!"

Let's go historically correct!

FIREWALL · 01-26-09, 01:46 PM

S.S.

Sailor Steve · 01-26-09, 06:27 PM

"Useless" was a joke, and one I've been wanting to make for months. I like my jokes. One of the things I talked to Dan about in Houston is the fact that for almost every name I have I also have the real GRT. This means that in the future (SH5 perhaps) you can sink a ship and get a name and be awarded the actual tonnage; and even look it up online and verify it.

That's realism for me. But that's also for the future.

Weiss Pinguin · 01-26-09, 07:02 PM

If Ubi contracted the fantastic modders we have here to develop SH5, we would have the most incredible subsim to date.

Include the modders from other places, and the dev team would be unstoppable...

Anyways, looking forward to your most useful of useless mods, Sailor Steve.

Sailor Steve · 01-26-09, 07:16 PM

Thanks. Nothing to look forward to though - it's out. Just download the new SH3 Commander (link in my first post). Then you'll have it.

Weiss Pinguin · 01-26-09, 07:23 PM

Oh, well, then looking forward to your monthly updates?

JScones · 01-27-09, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Never a useless mod

One of those files no one notices until there is a problem - ie no ship name
Nicely done Steve

Or cargo type.

Bl@&dy Steve.

:rotfl:

Sailor Steve · 01-27-09, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones

Bl@&dy Steve.

:rotfl:

Me no speaka de Oz.:rotfl:

Jimbuna · 01-27-09, 03:15 PM

Well I certainly remember the conversation we had in Texas and the interesting presentation you gave in Neals house.

I also recall how very obvious it was that a great deal of time, effort and research had been spent on said mod.

Well done Steve, this is an extremely valuable addition to SH3 and the latest Commander masterpiece from Jaesen.

Congratulations my friend....looking forward to the updates.

bigboywooly · 01-27-09, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Never a useless mod

One of those files no one notices until there is a problem - ie no ship name
Nicely done Steve

Or cargo type.

Bl@&dy Steve.

:rotfl:

Well you shouldnt be so accomadating
Not that I recall you needed much persuassion to push out a new commander :hmm:
But must admit with crew list and cargo the patrol report reads a lot fuller

Never really read thru the reports before as much as I do now

onelifecrisis · 01-27-09, 03:43 PM

Thanks Steve (for the version included in 'The New One'). A lot of work must have gone into this USELESS bit of functionality.

Much appreciated.

TarJak · 01-27-09, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Well I certainly remember the conversation we had in Texas and the interesting presentation you gave in Neals house.

I also recall how very obvious it was that a great deal of time, effort and research had been spent on said mod.

Well done Steve, this is an extremely valuable addition to SH3 and the latest Commander masterpiece from Jaesen.

Congratulations my friend....looking forward to the updates.

Ditto and about you no speaka de Oz, I disticnly remember teaching you how to say "Owyagoinmayt" in Houston.:rotfl:

JScones · 01-28-09, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Never a useless mod

One of those files no one notices until there is a problem - ie no ship name
Nicely done Steve

Or cargo type.

Bl@&dy Steve.

:rotfl:

Well you shouldnt be so accomadating
Not that I recall you needed much persuassion to push out a new commander :hmm:

You didn't witness the endless groveling by PM and email. Endless it was. Every day for months and months, if not years.

That's how I remember it anyway. :hmm:

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

But must admit with crew list and cargo the patrol report reads a lot fuller

Never really read thru the reports before as much as I do now

Yeah, likewise. I must admit it turned out much more interesting than I thought.

And IABL plans on adding many more cargo types, so it'll only get even more detailed as time goes on.

01-26-09, 01:19 PM	#1
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Ship Names Mod I'm sure everybody has seen the new SH3 Commander Release (no, I'm not going to try to remember the complete title. I'll just call it 'The New One!:rotfl: ). http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147237 JScones makes reference to IABL's new Merchant Mod Pack, and to the work I've been doing on ship names. You may have also seen me refer to this from time to time. Now that 'The New One' is out, I can finally say this: WELCOME TO THE WORLD'S MOST USELESS MOD! USELESS!? WHY? Well, it's useless because it doesn't do anything. You're not going to look at it and say "Wow! I've never seen a more beautiful sea or sky!". You're not going to look at it and say "Thanks Steve! Now I finally understand manual targetting!" In fact, you're never going to look at it at all (unless you like looking at boring lists). SO WHY MAKE A USELESS MOD? What happened was this: back when the original SH3 Commander was released I played my first patrol, and I sank a Coastal Merchant (now Tramp Steamer) for around 1960 tons. When I finished the patrol it was given the name 'S.S. President Jefferson'. Somehow that didn't sound right to me, so I did some research an found that there were two 'President Jeffersons'. One was a Liberty Ship of around 7176 tons, and the other was an American ocean liner of around 14,000 tons. Neither of these was a small tramp steamer plyingt the east coast of Britain in 1939. I looked in Commander and found that the list was generic, and decided I wanted to change that. My original plan was to find the tonnage of each ship on the list and make a new list which would contain only ships of that size. As time went on and the research got deeper, people like AG124, Von Dos, AOTD MadMax and of course Iambecomelife were busy making new models, which both game me more leeway to assign ships to not only the proper size, but in more and more cases the proper appearance. I was talking to JScones, Bigboywooly and IABL, and this led to IABL wanting the new features that Jaesen has added to Commander, and my finally getting some lists done. The Commander 'Generic' list has been reduced from 3500 names to less than 900, and every category in the list now has specific names applied, so any ship you sink will have a very similar tonnage to the actual ship with that name, and several (like T09A, the 'Arrow' tanker) will actually look just like the real ship. What this all means is that from now on the ship you sink will get a name pretty close to the real one. And that's about it. I'm not doing a separate release at this time, as the list is included in 'The New One', but my research is ongoing and I plan to release a new update every month or so, with 200-300 new names each time. The first one will contain appropriate names for IABL's new release, and after that it will just be additional names for each ship class. I have about two years to go before I'm actually done, and the current list has about 9000 names on it. Here's to realism! Have fun. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-26-09, 01:41 PM	#2
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Never a useless mod One of those files no one notices until there is a problem - ie no ship name Nicely done Steve __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

01-26-09, 01:43 PM	#3
Awful Smutje Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Germany, about 200km upwards the Weser from bunker "Valentin" Posts: 125 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	USELESS??? Nonono... Accurancy is never useless! I like these detailed mods. You can feel every bit of love, the modder put in it. And I'll watch every patrol log and think "Steve I love you!" Let's go historically correct! __________________ Fette Beute und immer eine Handbreit Wasser unter dem Kiel!

01-26-09, 01:46 PM	#4
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	S.S. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

01-26-09, 06:27 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	"Useless" was a joke, and one I've been wanting to make for months. I like my jokes. One of the things I talked to Dan about in Houston is the fact that for almost every name I have I also have the real GRT. This means that in the future (SH5 perhaps) you can sink a ship and get a name and be awarded the actual tonnage; and even look it up online and verify it. That's realism for me. But that's also for the future. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-26-09, 07:02 PM	#6
Weiss Pinguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Auburn, Alabama Posts: 3,333 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	If Ubi contracted the fantastic modders we have here to develop SH5, we would have the most incredible subsim to date. Include the modders from other places, and the dev team would be unstoppable... Anyways, looking forward to your most useful of useless mods, Sailor Steve. __________________

01-26-09, 07:16 PM	#7
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Thanks. Nothing to look forward to though - it's out. Just download the new SH3 Commander (link in my first post). Then you'll have it. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-26-09, 07:23 PM	#8
Weiss Pinguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Auburn, Alabama Posts: 3,333 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	Oh, well, then looking forward to your monthly updates? __________________

01-27-09, 03:15 PM	#11
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Well I certainly remember the conversation we had in Texas and the interesting presentation you gave in Neals house. I also recall how very obvious it was that a great deal of time, effort and research had been spent on said mod. Well done Steve, this is an extremely valuable addition to SH3 and the latest Commander masterpiece from Jaesen. Congratulations my friend....looking forward to the updates. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-27-09, 03:43 PM	#13
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	Thanks Steve (for the version included in 'The New One'). A lot of work must have gone into this USELESS bit of functionality. Much appreciated. __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.