Iraqi WMDs revisited - Page 7

The Avon Lady · 04-15-06, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense

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As I said in the very first sentence of this thread:

"There have been a number of recent relevant stories and documentation regarding the existance or not of Iraq's WMDs."

yes... the media is repleat with em... just as the media is full of stories of Bigfoot sightings, UFO sightings... Close Encounters...

only an irrational mentality would use these as a basis for any arguement...

and miss philips is a journalist... not an authority on any military weaponry, iraq, or the geopolitical nature of the hussien regime...

again, only an irrational mentality would use anything as a sound basis for any arguement on this topic...

your ability to operate in a contimuum that ignores fact is absoulutely amazing...

There are no facts in your previous post.

Surprise!

Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense · 04-15-06, 02:45 PM

one big, obvious fact... one that seems to illude your obscurred vision...

no WMDs have been confiscated by the US military or any other allied forces as todays date

none... zero... ziltch... nada...

--Mike

CCIP · 04-15-06, 02:49 PM

Wake me up when they find some actual weapons.

Speculation-speculation. And the fact remains that, no matter how you want to slice it, Iraq was not invaded because of WMD concerns or immediate security threats, but for political reasons.

Shock and awe! - a war for political reasons! What else is new? :hmm:

The Avon Lady · 04-15-06, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense

one big, obvious fact... one that seems to illude your obscurred vision...

no WMDs have been confiscated by the US military or any other allied forces as todays date

none... zero... ziltch... nada...

Let's ignore the missiles that were indeed found.

If Saddam had planned to move all banned weapons systems out of the country and had maybe over a decade to do so, do you think that he could have succeeded, in your opinion?

The Avon Lady · 04-15-06, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Iraq was not invaded because of WMD concerns or immediate security threats, but for political reasons.

Which are?

CCIP · 04-15-06, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Iraq was not invaded because of WMD concerns or immediate security threats, but for political reasons.

Which are?

There's a lot of ways of putting it. Washington seems to like the title "regime change".

I think it's fairly obvious that the US is pursuing a certain agenda towards the Middle East; and tossing aside whatever ideological slants I might have - there's really nothing unusual or neccesarily wrong with that.

My view of this whole thing has really been as more or less an excuse rather than a real reason. Frankly, in realpolitik terms, the long-term benefits of a more "US-friendly" arab world almost certainly outweigh the risks of a chemical attack in the United States. Not that anyone in Washington (who wants to keep their post) would be willing to admit that. :hmm:

The Avon Lady · 04-15-06, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Iraq was not invaded because of WMD concerns or immediate security threats, but for political reasons.

Which are?

There's a lot of ways of putting it. Washington seems to like the title "regime change".

And why was that?

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I think it's fairly obvious that the US is pursuing a certain agenda towards the Middle East; and tossing aside whatever ideological slants I might have - there's really nothing unusual or neccesarily wrong with that.

The fact that there is an agenda does not mean that the war was started to implement that agenda but rather that the agenda was considered possible once the US went to war.

In any case, I think the agenda is terribly flawed.

CCIP · 04-15-06, 03:08 PM

I guess the question I should ask is "was Saddam's Iraq a real threat to US security?"

Personally, I never really saw it that way. Probably not more than Saudi Arabia (a fertile breeding ground for extremists a-la Bin Laden), and certainly less than Iraq as it is now.

As far as the WMDs though, to me the US administration's backpedalling on their original claims has been a good indicator.

Again, it's not that it'd shock me if Saddam had WMDs (he had them in the 80's); I'd just like to see an actual WMD (not a delivery system or raw-and-needing-a-lot-of-processing materials) before coming to a conclusion.

Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense · 04-15-06, 03:19 PM

you can talk and talk and talk to her... and present her with the all the facts as they stand today... but you'd be wasting your time...

she obviously isn't interested in facts at all...

--Mike

The Avon Lady · 04-16-06, 02:07 AM

I like your new sig, Mike.

The Avon Lady · 05-02-06, 01:36 AM

Another document gets translated: 2001 Top Secret Document: Production of Prohibited Nerve Gas Detectors.

Sorry, Mike. Still no pictures.

HM.Medico · 05-02-06, 02:07 AM

It's really quite simple, Sadam slept with Satan (like in the southpark movie) and there all in hell

The Avon Lady · 05-29-06, 01:33 AM

Guess what?

Bump.

Video interview of former Iraqi Fedayeen Major General Ali Ibrahim Al-Tikriti.

Takeda Shingen · 05-29-06, 06:00 AM

Oh goody, the Iraqi WMD thread is back. Bring forth the childish banter!

For our new readers: When we last left, Mike was a 'meenie-weenie' and The Avon Lady was a 'poopy-head'. That should catch you all up; enjoy the show.

The Avon Lady · 05-29-06, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Oh goody, the Iraqi WMD thread is back. Bring forth the childish banter!

For our new readers: When we last left, Mike was a 'meenie-weenie' and The Avon Lady was a 'poopy-head'. That should catch you all up; enjoy the show.

The idea was to see if we could move past the childish banter.

04-15-06, 02:49 PM	#93
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Wake me up when they find some actual weapons. Speculation-speculation. And the fact remains that, no matter how you want to slice it, Iraq was not invaded because of WMD concerns or immediate security threats, but for political reasons. Shock and awe! - a war for political reasons! What else is new? :hmm: __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

04-15-06, 03:08 PM	#98
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I guess the question I should ask is "was Saddam's Iraq a real threat to US security?" Personally, I never really saw it that way. Probably not more than Saudi Arabia (a fertile breeding ground for extremists a-la Bin Laden), and certainly less than Iraq as it is now. As far as the WMDs though, to me the US administration's backpedalling on their original claims has been a good indicator. Again, it's not that it'd shock me if Saddam had WMDs (he had them in the 80's); I'd just like to see an actual WMD (not a delivery system or raw-and-needing-a-lot-of-processing materials) before coming to a conclusion. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

04-16-06, 02:07 AM	#100
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I like your new sig, Mike. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

05-02-06, 01:36 AM	#101
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Another document gets translated: 2001 Top Secret Document: Production of Prohibited Nerve Gas Detectors. Sorry, Mike. Still no pictures. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

05-02-06, 02:07 AM	#102
HM.Medico Helmsman Join Date: May 2006 Location: 60 Knots off shore, In a VIID Posts: 107 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It's really quite simple, Sadam slept with Satan (like in the southpark movie) and there all in hell __________________ Creator of The Enigma Room (Assisted greatly by P_Funk) Tonnage Total -: 165 Thousand Tonnes (DDs: 7\|Countless merchants\|Elcos: 4\| Armed Trawlers: 2\| BBs 3) Punctuation is the difference between "I helped my Uncle, Jack, off a horse" and "i helped my uncle jack off a horse" USE GOOD GRAMMAR!

04-15-06, 02:45 PM	#92
Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 445 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	one big, obvious fact... one that seems to illude your obscurred vision... no WMDs have been confiscated by the US military or any other allied forces as todays date none... zero... ziltch... nada... --Mike

04-15-06, 03:19 PM	#99
Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 445 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	you can talk and talk and talk to her... and present her with the all the facts as they stand today... but you'd be wasting your time... she obviously isn't interested in facts at all... --Mike

05-29-06, 01:33 AM	#103
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Guess what? Bump. Video interview of former Iraqi Fedayeen Major General Ali Ibrahim Al-Tikriti. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

05-29-06, 06:00 AM	#104
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Oh goody, the Iraqi WMD thread is back. Bring forth the childish banter! For our new readers: When we last left, Mike was a 'meenie-weenie' and The Avon Lady was a 'poopy-head'. That should catch you all up; enjoy the show.