Meters or Yards??

_Seth_ · 11-29-06, 02:27 AM

As i live in Norway, i am used to the metric system. This makes it easy for me playing SHIII.. I guess SHIV wil use the Yard system (i dont know the name for this, sorry..), since this was the system used by USA in the pacific. Do you think this require a whole lot of calculations/convertions during gameplay, or will it be a possibility to select the measuring unit by yourself? Not that i find these calculations difficult, but considering that ubisoft wishes to reach out to as many as possible, i think this should be included.

Sulikate · 11-29-06, 05:20 AM

I think there should be an option to choose between metric and imperial system (I think that's the name). Other game have it, and I always use the metric units because they are used in my country.

JSF · 11-29-06, 06:02 AM

I can't imagine Ubisoft not including these options you are looking for.

Rosencrantz · 11-29-06, 06:32 AM

Well, I'm european too, but for me meters vs. yards is not a question.

1 yard = 0.9144 meters = all most the same, especially in submarine war. After reading E. Beach books more than ten years ago, and playing with SHI, I can't even imagine to use meters in pacific.

You can allways try to learn something new! Right?

Greetings,

-RC-

elanaiba · 11-29-06, 07:33 AM

I like the imperial system, in some ways it makes more sense.

1 yard = 3 feet (depth and heights are measured in feet)
1 NM ~ 2000 yards

Etc...

Corsair · 11-29-06, 09:30 AM

Imagine if they used fathoms for the depth !!!

elanaiba · 11-29-06, 10:19 AM

Why not? 1 fathom = 2 yards!

Sailor Steve · 11-29-06, 11:18 AM

Being an American of course I was raised with the imperial system, but I have no trouble using meters in SHIII. I don't try to convert them in my head, I just take it at face value and accept it. That way makes it easy.

I agree, SH4 should have both, and I hope it will. If not, here are some more things to worry about:

1 fathom = 6 feet = 2 yards (already mentioned)
1 league = 3 miles
1 cable = 200 yards (mostly used with sailing ships)
1 ton = 2000 pounds, but 1 long ton (used to measure ship displacements) = 2240 pounds
1 hundredweight (cwt)(used by the British to measure the weight of guns) = 112 pounds
1 nautical mile = 6080 feet = 2026.6667 yards
1 statute (land) mile = 5280 feet = 1760 yards

Yes, metric is much easier, but as Tim Allen said in Galaxy Quest, "Never give up, never surrender!":rotfl:

bookworm_020 · 11-29-06, 05:13 PM

The US is one of only three countries that still use the imperial units for measurement. The others is Myanmar(Burma) and Liberia.

Talk about the US being third world

Frateloder · 11-29-06, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020

The US is one of only three countries that still use the imperial units for measurement. The others is Myanmar(Burma) and Liberia.

Talk about the US being third world

Well, we do use a few metric measurements alongside the "english" system. We use "liters" some of the time (i.e. 2 liter bottles of soda), although gallon is still the standard large volume measurement. I've noticed that some food companies are slowly switching from "pints" and "quarts" to "200ml" or "500ml" as well.

Almost all mechanics and technicians have a set of metric tools along with english tools.... and our military has gone almost completely metric (they don't even use miles anymore).

I'd say, judging by what I just wrote, that we're in the beginning stages of converting over to metric. I don't think the country can be pushed along without government regulation, though... and it would take a long time to convert since people can be so stubborn about such things.

So, in conclusion, we're more like "second world"

Frateloder · 11-29-06, 05:41 PM

P.S. Just be aware that you shouldn't take a Gato much past 300 feet and you shouldn't take a Balao much past 400.

_Seth_ · 11-29-06, 09:29 PM

Great replys, mateys! Another question: Was there a Grid system used in the pacific (similar to the german), or can we navigate with degrees, minutes and seconds?

TheSatyr · 11-29-06, 09:57 PM

They used patrol areas...not grids. I think there were around 14 patrol areas,which meant that US boats had to cover alot more territory while hunting than the U-Boats did.

Not quite sure how it was handled when multiple subs operated in the same patrol area...I think they used lattitude and longitude for the patrol boundaries in that situation.

_Seth_ · 11-29-06, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSatyr

They used patrol areas...not grids. I think there were around 14 patrol areas,which meant that US boats had to cover alot more territory while hunting than the U-Boats did.

Not quite sure how it was handled when multiple subs operated in the same patrol area...I think they used lattitude and longitude for the patrol boundaries in that situation.

14 areas??? Wow! Just 14 in all of the great pacific.. just imagine getting a radio message: "Convoy spotted in area xxxxx" ! LoL!!! Happy hunting, if we find anything! :rotfl:
I surely hope latitudes & longitudes are implemented, together with celestial navigation.....

elanaiba · 11-30-06, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSatyr

They used patrol areas...not grids. I think there were around 14 patrol areas,which meant that US boats had to cover alot more territory while hunting than the U-Boats did.

Not quite sure how it was handled when multiple subs operated in the same patrol area...I think they used lattitude and longitude for the patrol boundaries in that situation.

Care to shed more info on this? Or point me to the right direction?

Re: the original thread.

I think you guys should see this as an interesting challenge, and the flavor of us subs. They measured this and that in the imperial system in RL, so you should accept it too. Are we simulating the US Silent Service or not?

Besides, if both instruments, available data and maps are measured the same way, it shouldn't be a problem.

11-29-06, 02:27 AM	#1
_Seth_ Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In Tromsoe, @Tirpitz' final resting place.. Posts: 3,277 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	Meters or Yards?? As i live in Norway, i am used to the metric system. This makes it easy for me playing SHIII.. I guess SHIV wil use the Yard system (i dont know the name for this, sorry..), since this was the system used by USA in the pacific. Do you think this require a whole lot of calculations/convertions during gameplay, or will it be a possibility to select the measuring unit by yourself? Not that i find these calculations difficult, but considering that ubisoft wishes to reach out to as many as possible, i think this should be included. __________________

11-29-06, 05:20 AM	#2
Sulikate Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2004 Location: South Korea Posts: 834 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I think there should be an option to choose between metric and imperial system (I think that's the name). Other game have it, and I always use the metric units because they are used in my country. __________________ Se flutua e não fala quack, afunde-o!

11-29-06, 09:30 AM	#6
Corsair Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toulouse France Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	Imagine if they used fathoms for the depth !!! __________________ NYGM 3.4A / Living SH3 V5.1 + SH3 Commander

11-29-06, 11:18 AM	#8
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Being an American of course I was raised with the imperial system, but I have no trouble using meters in SHIII. I don't try to convert them in my head, I just take it at face value and accept it. That way makes it easy. I agree, SH4 should have both, and I hope it will. If not, here are some more things to worry about: 1 fathom = 6 feet = 2 yards (already mentioned) 1 league = 3 miles 1 cable = 200 yards (mostly used with sailing ships) 1 ton = 2000 pounds, but 1 long ton (used to measure ship displacements) = 2240 pounds 1 hundredweight (cwt)(used by the British to measure the weight of guns) = 112 pounds 1 nautical mile = 6080 feet = 2026.6667 yards 1 statute (land) mile = 5280 feet = 1760 yards Yes, metric is much easier, but as Tim Allen said in Galaxy Quest, "Never give up, never surrender!":rotfl: __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-29-06, 05:13 PM	#9
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	The US is one of only three countries that still use the imperial units for measurement. The others is Myanmar(Burma) and Liberia. Talk about the US being third world __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

11-29-06, 06:02 AM	#3
JSF Engineer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 208 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I can't imagine Ubisoft not including these options you are looking for.

11-29-06, 06:32 AM	#4
Rosencrantz Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 758 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Well, I'm european too, but for me meters vs. yards is not a question. 1 yard = 0.9144 meters = all most the same, especially in submarine war. After reading E. Beach books more than ten years ago, and playing with SHI, I can't even imagine to use meters in pacific. You can allways try to learn something new! Right? Greetings, -RC-

11-29-06, 07:33 AM	#5
elanaiba Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,058 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	I like the imperial system, in some ways it makes more sense. 1 yard = 3 feet (depth and heights are measured in feet) 1 NM ~ 2000 yards Etc...

11-29-06, 10:19 AM	#7
elanaiba Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,058 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	Why not? 1 fathom = 2 yards!

11-29-06, 05:41 PM	#11
Frateloder Watch Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minneapolis, MN - USA Posts: 20 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	P.S. Just be aware that you shouldn't take a Gato much past 300 feet and you shouldn't take a Balao much past 400. __________________ "A ship is always referred to as "she" because it costs so much to keep one in paint and powder." -Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, USN

11-29-06, 09:29 PM	#12
_Seth_ Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In Tromsoe, @Tirpitz' final resting place.. Posts: 3,277 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	Great replys, mateys! Another question: Was there a Grid system used in the pacific (similar to the german), or can we navigate with degrees, minutes and seconds? __________________

11-29-06, 09:57 PM	#13
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	They used patrol areas...not grids. I think there were around 14 patrol areas,which meant that US boats had to cover alot more territory while hunting than the U-Boats did. Not quite sure how it was handled when multiple subs operated in the same patrol area...I think they used lattitude and longitude for the patrol boundaries in that situation.