Water transparency?

Fifi · 04-19-13, 06:46 PM

Hi all modders,

Could someone tell me what is the exact file to adjust in scene dat, using S3D, to make the water more or less transparent as to be able to see submerged sub parts?
(without messing other stuff!)

Thanks in advance!

Armistead · 04-19-13, 07:07 PM

Several adjust the overall look, but if you want to see your sub underwater, look at the first Envsim file/underwater/fog/ zmin/zmax.

Fifi · 04-19-13, 08:25 PM

Hi Armistead, was talking about seeing underwater sub parts from above sea level...

Armistead · 04-19-13, 10:28 PM

Mostly a function of shaders. If you look in shaders/water, you see several trans. files.

Real Env shaders are very transparent, you could try the replacing the water trans. files to see if you like it. Been awhile since I looked and messed with them.

Make yourself a mod with the trans shaders only from RE and give it a try or just mod the entire shaders water file.

Fifi · 04-19-13, 11:32 PM

Thanks mate, will look into it, and try what you said

Fifi · 04-20-13, 12:55 AM

Well, no significant results...

Got more sub reflections on sea, but noway to get more water transparency...
Tried dozens of settings loading game after each tweeking without success.
Tried others env dat folders, others scene dat files, but still the 1.9 scene dat the best!...
Tried to adjust my 1.9 scene dat, but hundreds of settings mixing with each others, it's way too complicated/difficult for a noob like me to get very satisfying result!

Traveller · 04-20-13, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fifi

Well, no significant results...

Got more sub reflections on sea, but noway to get more water transparency...
Tried dozens of settings loading game after each tweeking without success.
Tried others env dat folders, others scene dat files, but still the 1.9 scene dat the best!...
Tried to adjust my 1.9 scene dat, but hundreds of settings mixing with each others, it's way too complicated/difficult for a noob like me to get very satisfying result!

Welcome to the frustrations of modding.

Keep trying!

Armistead · 04-20-13, 10:35 AM

They're numerous values in scene dat that have some effect, opacity, etc., but again many other values that connect to the overall "look".

I know with one of my looks, I can see the sub outline to about 150 submerged.

I hope to get my PC fixed this weekend, can't do much on an old laptop.

Fifi · 04-20-13, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armistead

They're numerous values in scene dat that have some effect, opacity, etc., but again many other values that connect to the overall "look".

Yes, and even waves settings for each weather type get some transparency too...

Water opacity doesn't change anything as i maxed/lowered just this one, without noticeable change...

Fifi · 04-22-13, 01:52 AM

That's just incredible!
On my poor laptop, i get nice water transparency, but on my big PC i'm unable to get any sea transparency

Even after clean install on stock 1.5 game not modded!

If someone has any idea to help...could it be drivers? (i run latest Nvidia)
Or graphic card? (i run GTX 580)

EDIT: not drivers...rolled back 266.58 without changes!...
So maybe a DX problem?

Armistead · 04-22-13, 06:15 AM

Make sure you install DX from game disc, think it's DX9c.

Fifi · 04-22-13, 06:34 AM

That's a downloaded version wich ask each time for DX install, and i did it!

Tomorrow i'm going to reinstall DX9c and everything again

Computing stuff is driving me mad

I know i can get transparency on this computer, as i had it with SH4 already some time ago, but can't remember what i did that made it not working anymore...

Fifi · 04-22-13, 07:41 PM

...So even after a brand clean windows 7 complete full reinstall from factory, and installing again SH4 V1.5 without mods, no water transparency

(either DVD version or downloaded version)
Can't be drivers (they are now stock) and can't be any Nvidia bad settings either.
Only remaining thing is my Zotac 580 graphic card wich doesn't allow water transparency for SH4...and i really don't understand why!!!
Though, SH5 is working fine, and water transparency is nice...

Go figure

04-22-13, 09:20 PM

use my water transparency mod, then if you want something different then look at the settings I used and compare them to stock and you will see the values you need to change

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=152906

Fifi · 04-22-13, 11:52 PM

Thanks a lot Webster, but i just found what it was!

Can't believe it was THAT stupid, and can't even post it here because it was so damn stupid!!

Here it is anyway, in case someone else have same damn stupid issue (in small, cause i'm so ashamed of it): just the environment effect box was desabled because of horizon through crew body. Activating it again gave me nice transparency! lol

04-19-13, 06:46 PM	#1
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 5,768 Downloads: 456 Uploads: 0	Water transparency? Hi all modders, Could someone tell me what is the exact file to adjust in scene dat, using S3D, to make the water more or less transparent as to be able to see submerged sub parts? (without messing other stuff!) Thanks in advance! __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/23e48...N_V5.9.7z/file

04-19-13, 07:07 PM	#2
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,864 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Several adjust the overall look, but if you want to see your sub underwater, look at the first Envsim file/underwater/fog/ zmin/zmax. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

04-19-13, 08:25 PM	#3
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 5,768 Downloads: 456 Uploads: 0	Hi Armistead, was talking about seeing underwater sub parts from above sea level... __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/23e48...N_V5.9.7z/file

04-19-13, 10:28 PM	#4
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,864 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Mostly a function of shaders. If you look in shaders/water, you see several trans. files. Real Env shaders are very transparent, you could try the replacing the water trans. files to see if you like it. Been awhile since I looked and messed with them. Make yourself a mod with the trans shaders only from RE and give it a try or just mod the entire shaders water file. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it. Last edited by Armistead; 04-19-13 at 10:52 PM.

04-19-13, 11:32 PM	#5
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 5,768 Downloads: 456 Uploads: 0	Thanks mate, will look into it, and try what you said __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/23e48...N_V5.9.7z/file

04-20-13, 12:55 AM	#6
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 5,768 Downloads: 456 Uploads: 0	Well, no significant results... Got more sub reflections on sea, but noway to get more water transparency... Tried dozens of settings loading game after each tweeking without success. Tried others env dat folders, others scene dat files, but still the 1.9 scene dat the best!... Tried to adjust my 1.9 scene dat, but hundreds of settings mixing with each others, it's way too complicated/difficult for a noob like me to get very satisfying result! __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/23e48...N_V5.9.7z/file

04-20-13, 10:35 AM	#8
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,864 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	They're numerous values in scene dat that have some effect, opacity, etc., but again many other values that connect to the overall "look". I know with one of my looks, I can see the sub outline to about 150 submerged. I hope to get my PC fixed this weekend, can't do much on an old laptop. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it. Last edited by Armistead; 04-20-13 at 11:39 AM.

04-22-13, 01:52 AM	#10
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 5,768 Downloads: 456 Uploads: 0	That's just incredible! On my poor laptop, i get nice water transparency, but on my big PC i'm unable to get any sea transparency Even after clean install on stock 1.5 game not modded! If someone has any idea to help...could it be drivers? (i run latest Nvidia) Or graphic card? (i run GTX 580) EDIT: not drivers...rolled back 266.58 without changes!... So maybe a DX problem? __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/23e48...N_V5.9.7z/file Last edited by Fifi; 04-22-13 at 02:22 AM.

04-22-13, 06:15 AM	#11
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,864 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Make sure you install DX from game disc, think it's DX9c. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

04-22-13, 06:34 AM	#12
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 5,768 Downloads: 456 Uploads: 0	That's a downloaded version wich ask each time for DX install, and i did it! Tomorrow i'm going to reinstall DX9c and everything again Computing stuff is driving me mad I know i can get transparency on this computer, as i had it with SH4 already some time ago, but can't remember what i did that made it not working anymore... __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/23e48...N_V5.9.7z/file

04-22-13, 07:41 PM	#13
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 5,768 Downloads: 456 Uploads: 0	...So even after a brand clean windows 7 complete full reinstall from factory, and installing again SH4 V1.5 without mods, no water transparency (either DVD version or downloaded version) Can't be drivers (they are now stock) and can't be any Nvidia bad settings either. Only remaining thing is my Zotac 580 graphic card wich doesn't allow water transparency for SH4...and i really don't understand why!!! Though, SH5 is working fine, and water transparency is nice... Go figure __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/23e48...N_V5.9.7z/file Last edited by Fifi; 04-22-13 at 07:52 PM.

04-22-13, 09:20 PM	#14
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	use my water transparency mod, then if you want something different then look at the settings I used and compare them to stock and you will see the values you need to change http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=152906

04-22-13, 11:52 PM	#15
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 5,768 Downloads: 456 Uploads: 0	Thanks a lot Webster, but i just found what it was! Can't believe it was THAT stupid, and can't even post it here because it was so damn stupid!! Here it is anyway, in case someone else have same damn stupid issue (in small, cause i'm so ashamed of it): just the environment effect box was desabled because of horizon through crew body. Activating it again gave me nice transparency! lol __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/23e48...N_V5.9.7z/file