Initial Questions about the ACTUV project...

LoBlo · 04-04-11, 06:01 PM

When I first read this project a few initial questions come to mind.

Question 1#: Seems like the engine will be similar to the DW engine. If that is the case, then are changes in ACTUV tatics obtained via our changes in its doctrine files/behavior?

Question 2#: Will mods be an option?

Question 3#: The DW engine has been known for a lot of bugs. Will bug/glitches be addressed by SCS or will the community be allowed to repair them ourselves like in the Reinforce Alert project?

Question 4#: Are the ACTUV screnarios one vs one, or will wolf pack tatics be a part of the simulation?

Question 5#: How will point's be allocated?

Question 6#: The AI in DW never seemed to really needed to use triangulation or TMA (it just instaneously knew the speed/course/range of any contact it detected). Will the ACTUV need to use TMA?

Gargamel · 04-04-11, 07:22 PM

My totally uninformed opinion:

As to mods (and letting us correct bugs), I highly doubt they would be allowed. I see this as a research project, and SCS/DARPA would require set variables to be observed during these trials.

You can't run an experiment and have each test subject playing by separate rules. It would negate any of your results.

I would also assume that they have already setup certain test parameters, and couldn't have the subjects changing things because we think it's they way it should work. Now, they would probably be very open to suggestions in this realm, and release patches that fixed issues as they are found, that way everybody would be playing with the same rule book.

Onkel Neal · 04-04-11, 08:35 PM

I will run these questions past Sonalysts and get back ASAP. Thanks

LoBlo · 04-04-11, 10:01 PM

Thanks Neal.

Actually, I didn't realize the game was already available for download. Most of these questions are answered in the data manual...

I've tried the game out and its kindof interesting...

Gargamel · 04-04-11, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoBlo

Thanks Neal.

Actually, I didn't realize the game was already available for download. Most of these questions are answered in the data manual...

I've tried the game out and its kindof interesting...

Manual??

EDIT: There it is... I was looking for a DARPA folder on the start menu, not just random stuff thrown out there. Bad installer design guys. Should have dropped those into a folder.

EDIT2: Why is there an install guide in the manual when you have to install it to get to the manual?

Gargamel · 04-04-11, 10:36 PM

From the manual (Back on topic):

Quote:

NOTE: Be aware that game data is checked to ensure that certain files have not been altered. Game results based on altered files will NOT be considered for competition. The game will notify you that your scores will not be submitted if tampering is detected.

So that answers your mods and fixes Question right there.

Molon Labe · 04-05-11, 01:53 PM

So, I noticed when I saw the P-8 in game, there were torpedoes on the hardpoints.

Then when I looked at it in the USNI reference, the 3D model did not include anything on the hardpoints.

You know what this means, right?
I'd so like a patch right now.

That reminds me, I have some files to decompress.

Frying Tiger · 04-05-11, 02:02 PM

Uh, nothing in the Reference Guide ever has had any hardpoint ordinance visible.

I'm rather proud of that model, however.

04-05-11, 02:08 PM

Was already tested in RA addition is runs well (All 5 types ACTUV).

As all sensors ACTUV have an option of exact distance for target - is encourages.

That is - the presence TMA of station actually is not required.
The found out contact - gives at once exact target location.

And function of transfer of contact for attack on promotion link - is very good works.

Molon Labe · 04-05-11, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frying Tiger

Uh, nothing in the Reference Guide ever has had any hardpoint ordinance visible.

I'm rather proud of that model, however.

Nothing in the sim that wasn't Ownship ever had any ordnance---or any other attached object---visible.

Hey, while I've got you here, want to save me an afternoon?
Other than the models present in the ACTUV scenarios, are there any other updated models in the graphics package you allowed us to download with ACTUV? I couldn't help but notice it is a "full" DW package rather than just the stuff needed for the DARPA sim.

04-05-11, 02:22 PM

To: LoBlo

>>"Question 6#: The AI in DW never seemed to really needed to use triangulation or TMA (it just instaneously knew the speed/course/range of any contact it detected). Will the ACTUV need to use TMA?"

In the original version DW, AI Sub never shoots quickly.

After she will find out contact - she will shoot from 4 about 10 minutes. It unless not triangulation?

Other business, that this delay did not give to shoot even on SNAPSHOT - on active ping.

-RA- addon eliminates these problems.

And ТМА solution there is - AI a submarine will execute at first manouevre for TMA of the decision, and only will shoot then.

ACTUV - Has all sensors with an exact distance - Visual, HF Sonar, MF Sonar, Radar.

All these sensor controls will give exact range at first target detected.

TMA - Simply unnecessary.

IMPORTANT NOTE: However - ACTUV there are no arms. A communication facility also seems does not work.

Therefore it is not so urgent - anyway, to kill the target is not stipulated. And it too badly "black mark" for gameplay.

Molon Labe · 04-05-11, 05:02 PM

I was going to be disappointed if I didn't find anything....

But I did find this.

Thanks, Frying Tiger!!

And FT, just to be clear, I wasn't complaining about the Reference, I was observing a subtle improvement to the sim. It was DW I wanted patched, not ACTUV. ; )

LoBlo · 04-05-11, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -GrayOwl-

Was already tested in RA addition is runs well (All 5 types ACTUV).

The civillian ships are definately nice models and worth importing into DW mods as well. Great skins.

TLAM Strike · 04-05-11, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molon Labe

So, I noticed when I saw the P-8 in game, there were torpedoes on the hardpoints.

It helps my ego to think they stole that idea from me...

Molon Labe · 04-05-11, 06:29 PM

Those weapons are NOT on the P-8's model. And if there is a 2nd model of the P-8 that includes weapons, I can't find it.

I think they stole the Boston Whaler from you.

EDIT: You might also be interested to know that the DW scenario editor will NOT open ACTUV files. This is probably due to improvements in the scenario editor.... apparently the user can set the layer depth in the Editor now.

04-04-11, 06:01 PM	#1
LoBlo Subsim Diehard Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas! Posts: 971 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 3	Initial Questions about the ACTUV project... When I first read this project a few initial questions come to mind. Question 1#: Seems like the engine will be similar to the DW engine. If that is the case, then are changes in ACTUV tatics obtained via our changes in its doctrine files/behavior? Question 2#: Will mods be an option? Question 3#: The DW engine has been known for a lot of bugs. Will bug/glitches be addressed by SCS or will the community be allowed to repair them ourselves like in the Reinforce Alert project? Question 4#: Are the ACTUV screnarios one vs one, or will wolf pack tatics be a part of the simulation? Question 5#: How will point's be allocated? Question 6#: The AI in DW never seemed to really needed to use triangulation or TMA (it just instaneously knew the speed/course/range of any contact it detected). Will the ACTUV need to use TMA? __________________ "Seek not to offend or annoy... only to speak the truth"-a wise man

04-04-11, 07:22 PM	#2
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	My totally uninformed opinion: As to mods (and letting us correct bugs), I highly doubt they would be allowed. I see this as a research project, and SCS/DARPA would require set variables to be observed during these trials. You can't run an experiment and have each test subject playing by separate rules. It would negate any of your results. I would also assume that they have already setup certain test parameters, and couldn't have the subjects changing things because we think it's they way it should work. Now, they would probably be very open to suggestions in this realm, and release patches that fixed issues as they are found, that way everybody would be playing with the same rule book. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

04-04-11, 08:35 PM	#3
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,365 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	I will run these questions past Sonalysts and get back ASAP. Thanks __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

04-04-11, 10:01 PM	#4
LoBlo Subsim Diehard Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas! Posts: 971 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 3	Thanks Neal. Actually, I didn't realize the game was already available for download. Most of these questions are answered in the data manual... I've tried the game out and its kindof interesting... __________________ "Seek not to offend or annoy... only to speak the truth"-a wise man

04-05-11, 01:53 PM	#7
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	So, I noticed when I saw the P-8 in game, there were torpedoes on the hardpoints. Then when I looked at it in the USNI reference, the 3D model did not include anything on the hardpoints. You know what this means, right? I'd so like a patch right now. That reminds me, I have some files to decompress. __________________

04-05-11, 02:02 PM	#8
Frying Tiger Sonalysts Man Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Waterford, CT Posts: 113 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Uh, nothing in the Reference Guide ever has had any hardpoint ordinance visible. I'm rather proud of that model, however. __________________ *Roger "Frying Tiger"* Long** Art Lead Sonalysts Combat Simulations "the atom-powered submarine: Her engines were to be a miracle of speed and power, her sides strong enough to withstand any blow... The mind of man had thought of everything - except that which was beyond his comprehension!"

04-05-11, 02:08 PM	#9
-GrayOwl- Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Was already tested in RA addition is runs well (All 5 types ACTUV). As all sensors ACTUV have an option of exact distance for target - is encourages. That is - the presence TMA of station actually is not required. The found out contact - gives at once exact target location. And function of transfer of contact for attack on promotion link - is very good works.

04-05-11, 02:22 PM	#11
-GrayOwl- Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	To: LoBlo >>"Question 6#: The AI in DW never seemed to really needed to use triangulation or TMA (it just instaneously knew the speed/course/range of any contact it detected). Will the ACTUV need to use TMA?" In the original version DW, AI Sub never shoots quickly. After she will find out contact - she will shoot from 4 about 10 minutes. It unless not triangulation? Other business, that this delay did not give to shoot even on SNAPSHOT - on active ping. -RA- addon eliminates these problems. And ТМА solution there is - AI a submarine will execute at first manouevre for TMA of the decision, and only will shoot then. ACTUV - Has all sensors with an exact distance - Visual, HF Sonar, MF Sonar, Radar. All these sensor controls will give exact range at first target detected. TMA - Simply unnecessary. IMPORTANT NOTE: However - ACTUV there are no arms. A communication facility also seems does not work. Therefore it is not so urgent - anyway, to kill the target is not stipulated. And it too badly "black mark" for gameplay. Last edited by -GrayOwl-; 04-05-11 at 02:47 PM.

04-05-11, 05:02 PM	#12
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	I was going to be disappointed if I didn't find anything.... But I did find this. Thanks, Frying Tiger!! And FT, just to be clear, I wasn't complaining about the Reference, I was observing a subtle improvement to the sim. It was DW I wanted patched, not ACTUV. ; ) __________________ Last edited by Molon Labe; 04-05-11 at 05:26 PM.

04-05-11, 06:29 PM	#15
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	Those weapons are NOT on the P-8's model. And if there is a 2nd model of the P-8 that includes weapons, I can't find it. I think they stole the Boston Whaler from you. EDIT: You might also be interested to know that the DW scenario editor will NOT open ACTUV files. This is probably due to improvements in the scenario editor.... apparently the user can set the layer depth in the Editor now. __________________