5 year old accidentally fatally shoots his 2 year old sister

CaptainMattJ. · 05-05-13, 06:14 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/us/ken...ing/index.html

This is beyond gross negligence, the parents should be thrown in jail.

Outrageous.

05-05-13, 06:22 PM

I can see why in the old days you'd give a 5 year old a firearm.
Given you'd probably die of old age at around 30 to 40 year old.

I can't see handing a 5 year old a pellet gun in this day and age though!

Regardless of the type weapon? A 5 year old? And ammo for it?

Synthfg · 05-06-13, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by privateer

I can see why in the old days you'd give a 5 year old a firearm.
Given you'd probably die of old age at around 30 to 40 year old.

I can't see handing a 5 year old a pellet gun in this day and age though!

Regardless of the type weapon? A 5 year old? And ammo for it?

The issue isn't so much the 5 year old having his own gun, Learning to handle firearms and shoot them responsibly isn't an problem

The issue here is that the parents are irresponsible ****s who
Didn't use the child lock on the rifle
Didn't lock the rifle away when it wasn't being used
Allowed the kid to play with it unsupervised as a toy
Didn't check and double check that it wasn't still loaded after the last shooting session
and apparently weren't cleaning it after it was shot

Armistead · 05-06-13, 07:28 AM

I think when I grew up, we got a shotgun before we went off the bottle.

Platapus · 05-05-13, 06:29 PM

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"In this part of the country, it's not uncommon for a 5-year-old to have a gun

This is the problem that I have. In no way should a 5-year old "own" a gun. I can understand the parents owning the gun and allowing the 5-year old to use it under supervision, But a 5-year old should not "own" a rifle.

Personally, I think that 5 is a bit young for a .22, but responsible parents can do it safely. In any case, a 5 year old should never have access to the ammo.

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"The little Crickett rifle is a single-shot rifle, and it has a child safety," White told CNN.

Tell me about the "child safety Mr. White. Tell me all about it.

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Her family kept the Crickett rifle in what they considered to be a safe spot

If it was not in a safe or locked up, it was not in a safe spot where children are involved.

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Riddle said she is devastated, but comforted knowing that her granddaughter is in a better place.
"It was God's will. It was her time to go, I guess," she told WLEX. "I just know she's in heaven right now and I know she's in good hands with the Lord."

(facepalm)

Better hands then she was in that family in my opinion.

I just don't understand some people. Unsecured Guns+unsecured ammo+children is an unnecessary risk.

Why was the rifle loaded?
Why did the child have access to ammunition?
Why was the rifle not locked or locked away?

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"It's just tragic," uncle David Mann told the CNN affiliate. "It's something that you can't prepare for."

Are there enough face palms on the Internets Tubes for this guy?

Yes, you idiot, it was something that you can, should, and must prepare for when you have children in a home with guns. Millions of responsible gun owners do indeed prepare for this and take the appropriate actions to mitigate the risk.

Crikey, idiots like this give responsible gun owners a bad name.

Oberon · 05-05-13, 07:00 PM

Aren't we already discussing this in the Gun Control thread? Or has another child shot someone?

CaptainMattJ. · 05-05-13, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Aren't we already discussing this in the Gun Control thread? Or has another child shot someone?

I was unaware. But honestly i was more getting at the parental negligence, not gun control. The parents should be jailed for a long time, to keep such a dangerous weapon loaded around a 5 and 2 year old.

I tend not to go into that thread anymore because, like everywhere else, there's nothing but a pigheaded attitude and no amount of rebuttal or argument will register with anyone, so its essentially full of circle arguments that . I did, however, search if there were any threads about this particular incident before i posted, though not searching individual threads.

U505995 · 05-05-13, 08:09 PM

From what it sounds like the parents are careless trailer dwelling red necks.

Red October1984 · 05-05-13, 08:25 PM

What the flying #*$#%?!

Ohhhhh these people are idiots...

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Riddle said she is devastated, but comforted knowing that her granddaughter is in a better place.
"It was God's will. It was her time to go, I guess," she told WLEX. "I just know she's in heaven right now and I know she's in good hands with the Lord."

Here's your sign lady... God doesn't will accidental premature death upon little children. If he did will it upon any child at all, I don't think it would be in this way. God gave us free will. Those parents were dumb enough to keep this gun and ammo out where the kid could get to it. Apparently they didn't put their free will to good use.

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"It's just tragic," uncle David Mann told the CNN affiliate. "It's something that you can't prepare for."

You can prepare for it with these... 10 Rules to Firearm Safety

You can prepare by keeping your guns in a safe and the ammo stored safely somewhere else! You can prepare by being a responsible parent and gun owner. I was taught at a young age to stay away from the guns and ammo unless a parent was there. It's not hard to keep this from happening. Guns come with a lock!

Natural Selection has struck again.

Ducimus · 05-06-13, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Aren't we already discussing this in the Gun Control thread? Or has another child shot someone?

Pretty sure it's the same story, that has already been mentioned in the Gun Control thread. Since i've already put my 2cents on this topic within that thread, I see no reason to repeat myself in this one.

Wolferz · 05-06-13, 10:23 AM

My wife has a single shot .22 caliber saddle rifle that was given to her at the age of six by her grampa. She never shot any relatives with it though.
Proper training and constant supervision is the key.

At most, these imbeciles could be charged with negligent homicide and child endangerment.

Sadly, Mother nature has her own way of cleaning the gene pool.

Jimbuna · 05-06-13, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Aren't we already discussing this in the Gun Control thread? Or has another child shot someone?

Yes but looking at the OP response at #5 there isn't a need to merge atm.

05-06-13, 04:41 PM

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Yes but looking at the OP response at #5 there isn't a need to merge atm.

Maybe keep this as the junior gun control topic.
I read last month that there had already been over 80 lack of junior gun control "accidents" this year in the States, so maybe it can become its own big topic running in parallel with the other one.

Feuer Frei! · 05-05-13, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

In no way should a 5-year old "own" a gun.

That doesn't seem to be the issue. The issue with most of these incidents is that they have access to guns. Access is the issue, not ownership.

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a 5 year old should never have access to the ammo.

Bingo. Although just ammo is also an issue, because if they had no access to ammo alone, but had access to a gun, which was loaded, then they wouldn't need access to ammo.

05-06-13, 01:01 AM

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Aren't we already discussing this in the Gun Control thread?

Yes.

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Or has another child shot someone?

And yes, it is is a regular occurance.

05-05-13, 06:14 PM	#1
CaptainMattJ. The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,364 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	5 year old accidentally fatally shoots his 2 year old sister http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/us/ken...ing/index.html This is beyond gross negligence, the parents should be thrown in jail. Outrageous. __________________ A popular Government without popular information nor the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own Governors must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives - James Madison

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Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I think when I grew up, we got a shotgun before we went off the bottle. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

05-06-13, 10:23 AM	#11
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Some peoples' kids! My wife has a single shot .22 caliber saddle rifle that was given to her at the age of six by her grampa. She never shot any relatives with it though. Proper training and constant supervision is the key. At most, these imbeciles could be charged with negligent homicide and child endangerment. Sadly, Mother nature has her own way of cleaning the gene pool. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

05-05-13, 06:22 PM	#2
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I can see why in the old days you'd give a 5 year old a firearm. Given you'd probably die of old age at around 30 to 40 year old. I can't see handing a 5 year old a pellet gun in this day and age though! Regardless of the type weapon? A 5 year old? And ammo for it?

05-05-13, 07:00 PM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Aren't we already discussing this in the Gun Control thread? Or has another child shot someone?

05-05-13, 08:09 PM	#8
U505995 Planesman Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Wisconsin, the best state in the union. Posts: 191 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	From what it sounds like the parents are careless trailer dwelling red necks.