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Big surprise: not only has the Euro not led to all European national economies becoming equal, but it is now being demonstrated that the independence of the ECB - written down as a legal demand black on white - is just a bad joke. We saw it in Trichet'S breaking of the rules when he opened the gate for the massive buys by the ECB of bad papers. We saw it when the two German members of the directors' board gave up to the overwhelming majority of blood-suckers from Southern, debt-drowning countries, and quit, also because they got no support from the German government. We saws it when Italian Matio Draghi took over from trichet - and immediately lowered the interest rate, on the very same day, sending a strong signal of policy change by that timing and decision.
And now two studies have been released that illustrate with the tools of statistical analysis and econometrics that the decisions formed by these gangster are not in accordance with the demands to their joibs, but according to their own nation's financial interest. http://www.uni-marburg.de/fb02/makro...-2011_hayo.pdf Quote:
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That is absurd. And a scandal. It puts the foxes in charge of the henhouse. Germans were promised by their politicians that the ECB would be formed according to the example and self-definition of the German Bundesbank, an institution so much respected world-wiude that many other central banks were influenced or formed by its example of independence and guaranteeing currency stability. Germans were promised by their politicians the Euro would be as stable as the hard, solid D-Mark. We got lied to. We got betrayed, and sold away. We got stripped of these - with no compensation. To me, it equals high treason. And one word on inflation and mega inflations and deflations, which to embrace the ECB is turning towards, and which the US demand so very much. It sounds like a cheap mechanism to get rid of debts. But it is not only cheap, but mean, because it means nothing else but a massive mass-expropriation of the ordinary people - everybody, the rich, the poor, just everybody. It destroys savings for the future. It destroys pensions. It destroys years- and decades-long savings and investements. Accepting it, is a crime, like going out and burning down the house of your neighbour or smashing a car intentionally or robbong a bank. It also violates those nations' constitutions that explicitly guarantee the protection of private property. Political parties seem to be able to gain and stay in power only when they spend more than the economy creates in budget incomes (=taxes). Money gets wasted to bribe the voters, debts get build, because if the one party does not promise more than can be payed for, then the other will - and by that will win the election. Debts accumulate, debts reach high into the sky and finally enter stellar orbits. The system we live in - seems to be able to survive only when it constantly consumes the future, and rapes the chances of the next generation: financially, ecologically, ressource-wise. The system we live in and that we are so proud of - is shortsighted, unscrupellous, inhumane and deeply rotten and criminal by design. And what is really depressing and desillusionising, is this : it cannot be any different, naturally. The EU and the Euro-countries have broken so many of their own rules and laws and treaties and constantly violate those which formally are still valid - what does this record tell about the trustworthiness of any future laws and rules they may surprise us in the forseeable future? Europe lies. Do not trust it.
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The big problem for middle class Europe it's been paying itself for to much for 25 years or more. It's corrupt, and run by un-accountable people without faces. Bankers in the UK can cream off 40mil a year within companies they did not start but only manage. I have no objection how a much a man pays himself within his own company, (Branson of Virgin) it's up to him.
I voted yes to join a common market, but it's been a complete lie, a deception that will have to be reconned with some day, the longer this goes on the worse it will get.. ![]() |
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Don't worry, we're so obsesed about getting on the Franco-German train, that my goverment will vote fo a war against Russia and China if Germany/France wants us to |
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You only need to ask
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I hope you all work it out. It's nice not having the European continent explode into war and bloodshed every few years like has historically been the case.
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@Sky
/sarcasm/ Wow, national officials acting in the interest of their country, even when they are required to represent the common, EU interest. How is it that I haven't come across this odd titbit in other EU institutions? /end/ Simply put, I do understand your argument and am as frustrated as you are, although perhaps for different reasons. At least Betonov is right about Slovenia and Estonia is fiscally as German as you can get. @Steve and August We Slovenians have been through more difficult times and have made it, so no great concern is required now. In the worse case scenario we'll join our Cleveland brothers. Hope you still got coal mines open ![]() As for our interest, it's contrary to the pro-American attitude in Eastern European states, due to our long historical inclusion in the common cultural area. Under Austria, inside Europe one could say. Plus, for some reason, we prefer Germans to Austrians and as far as France is concerned, well, it just goes together. I have honestly yet to hear some minister go against the official line from Berlin/Paris. Which in some way is disconcerting, but also assuring, as it supports the argument of our biggest writer Ivan Cankar that valets (farm servants) we have been and such we will remain. We're such a wonderful nation, aren't we? |
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But I have no idea what would come after that: better - or even worse? Historians often say most revolutions ate their own children and led to conditions similiar to or worse than the establishement that got overthrown by violence. There are, however, exceptions. Yesterday I read an article somewhere that referred to an Amerian historian who pointed out that the Americna currency needed 150 years until it was fully accepted and embraced and supported beyond dispute. Europe does not have 150 years. After even just ten years we literally already hang at each other's throats. America also did not have China and the Brassil and India and the othger rising powers sitting on the fenceline - rivals that make the situation even more urgent for Europe today. America also never had the kind of centuries-deep rooting nationalistic sentiments and local traditions that characterise Europe for the better and worse. And there have been attempts in European history for international currency unions with lesser players than today. They all failed so far, sometimes indirectly leading to war.
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Some light shed on the real state of the German budget - which is a mediocre status at best, compared to some others. The current joy German bonds cause at the stockmarket, can be over very soon - then causing our debts to increase even faster.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...799059,00.html German debts are usually set somewhere in the range between 1.7 and 1.8 billion euros, currently. But these values exclude - intentionally, to make the numbers look better - future costs that cannot be avoided and that come from obligations that will become valid in the future, although in the present not making themselves felt. Pensions for public services, for example. If these and other delayed factors get calculated into the present debt level, you have a number between 5 and 6 trillion. However, all states seem to exclude these delayed, hidden future balances. If, for a rough estimation, you would (optimistically) use a factor of 2.5 - 3 from the german example above, and use that to calculate for example the American real debt that way, you would end up in the range of 40 trillion Euros/50+ trillion dollars. The issues themselves are not compliated by their nature. The attempts of politicians to deceive us about the real state of things, the attempts of the corporations and lobbies to avoid public awareness of their doings - these efforts only are complicated.
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