NBC didn't change the show; it simply showed patience.

Onkel Neal · 03-18-11, 12:15 PM

Wow, Network TV is showing some brains. Now, bring back Firefly!

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But the renewal of "Community" and "Parks," two critically praised but low-rated programs, speaks a lot about how Comcast plans to revive NBC.

It apparently hopes to follow the model that lifted NBC to No. 1 during the 1980s and '90s, when the network valued quality above all else.

NBC put shows it believed in, like "Hill Street Blues," "Cheers" and "Seinfeld," on the air and waited for audiences to grow into them. After rocky starts, they all became hits.

"Community" was not an obvious choice for renewal. The show is averaging a mere 2.1 adults 18-49 rating, according to Nielsen, and NBC has a slew of comedy pilots in production that could just as well have replaced the quirky show about community college students.

But new NBC Entertainment chairman Robert Greenblatt recognized the intelligence of "Community" and may be envisioning an "Office"-like path for the show.

"Office" didn't become a hit until late in its third season, when viewers finally began to appreciate its uncomfortable humor. NBC didn't change the show; it simply showed patience.

Gerald · 03-18-11, 12:18 PM

Not bad at all,

mookiemookie · 03-18-11, 12:36 PM

Good shows never last, and the crap seems to stick around for years.

vienna · 03-18-11, 01:28 PM

One of the most glaring instances of network executive mismanagement ever happened to the show "Gidget" back in the 60's. Now, granted, it wasn't a great show. It only lasted one season, 32 episodes. It didn't do well against other opposing network shows (Beverly Hillbillies, The Virginian), so it was cancelled. The network, ABC, rebroadcast the episodes during the summer rerun season and the show did suprisingly well in the ratings. ABC could have reversed its decision to cancel the show, but opted to keep their original descision. The show then went on to syndication and did very well. The odd thing about the syndication is the general rule for the minimum number of episodes for a syndicated series is 100 episodes, roughly 4 complete seasons then and roughly 5 to 6 seasons now. The rationale is to prevent the audience from becoming bored by too many repeated episodes. "Gidget" seemed to break this rule and played for many, many years in syndication and probably found a broader audience than it did on the network.

MaddogK · 03-18-11, 03:08 PM

Wow, just noticed this site has no 'pile of dog poop' smiley.

...there's a reason those shows have low ratings.

Betonov · 03-18-11, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Wow, Network TV is showing some brains. Now, bring back Firefly!

Second the motion

Takeda Shingen · 03-18-11, 03:45 PM

Holy crap, Neal. I was just thinking about this at work today. Specifically, I was thinking about how networks don't allow shows to catch on and mature like they did with Cheers. Get out of my head, man.

Penguin · 03-18-11, 04:17 PM

Network TV and brains sounds often like a contradiction, I will never ever forgive CBS for cancelling NX...

The whole series business looks so fast-paced and generic. "Uh this one didn't work in the first 3 weeks, we'll quickly put out the next show" One of the reasons most seasons today contain only 13 episodes.

A show like Star Trek would never had a chance if we had this short-term thinking of today back in the 60s. (off the beaten path, too strange, too complicated)

Btw, these series sound like some cool new funny shows, I'm going to check them out as I'm waiting impatiently on the return of "Curb". After my conquest of America, LD and Seinfeld will be forced to put out at least one show every day, muhuahua

Gargamel · 03-18-11, 07:46 PM

IN looking for that pic, I stumbled upon the fact that Fillion declared interest (maybe jokingly) in purchasing the rights to FF. But when the fanbase got wind of that, apparently there's a movement to assemble the funds to make that happen.

http://www.fusedfilm.com/2011/02/the...ll-interested/

gimpy117 · 03-19-11, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Good shows never last, and the crap seems to stick around for years.

Firefly

edit: I lol'ed when i saw above post. Irony

vienna · 03-19-11, 02:46 PM

"Star Trek" was cancelled once before it ended it's run; it took a letter writing campaign to have it renewed for waht would be its final season.

Networks are not run by creative, artistic persons; they are now run by immense business comnglomerates (NBC = Universal, ABC = Disney, Fox = NewsCorp). CBS, which was split off from Viacom, is less corporate bound and the results show in the ratings as their shows are dominating the top 20 shows. CBS has shown a willingness to stick with a show in spite of initially low ratings. One show, in fact, has strangely grown in ratings (NCIS [original]) even after 5 years in production, a point when most shows are starting to fade. The other networks are not as patient with the shows they present and do not reap the rewards of building an audience. Added to this is the current practice of putting large gaps of time between airing of promisimg shows, causing potential audiences to lose interest and stop following the show. How can an audience build when a few episodes are shown then a gap of weeks happens until the show continues to air new episodes, or, in some cases, they completely reschedule the new episodes to new times on new nights of the week.

TLAM Strike · 03-19-11, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Now, bring back Firefly!

... or else...

Gargamel · 03-19-11, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Now, bring back Firefly!

I have never once heard somebody say they didn't like Firefly. Not saying they aren't out there, but you really never hear that.

I'm just worried if they do, the world will go OMG FIREFLY!!! and then it won't live up to the hype, since it's been way over hyped.

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Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	IN looking for that pic, I stumbled upon the fact that Fillion declared interest (maybe jokingly) in purchasing the rights to FF. But when the fanbase got wind of that, apparently there's a movement to assemble the funds to make that happen. http://www.fusedfilm.com/2011/02/the...ll-interested/ __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

03-18-11, 01:28 PM	#4
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	One of the most glaring instances of network executive mismanagement ever happened to the show "Gidget" back in the 60's. Now, granted, it wasn't a great show. It only lasted one season, 32 episodes. It didn't do well against other opposing network shows (Beverly Hillbillies, The Virginian), so it was cancelled. The network, ABC, rebroadcast the episodes during the summer rerun season and the show did suprisingly well in the ratings. ABC could have reversed its decision to cancel the show, but opted to keep their original descision. The show then went on to syndication and did very well. The odd thing about the syndication is the general rule for the minimum number of episodes for a syndicated series is 100 episodes, roughly 4 complete seasons then and roughly 5 to 6 seasons now. The rationale is to prevent the audience from becoming bored by too many repeated episodes. "Gidget" seemed to break this rule and played for many, many years in syndication and probably found a broader audience than it did on the network.

03-18-11, 03:45 PM	#7
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Holy crap, Neal. I was just thinking about this at work today. Specifically, I was thinking about how networks don't allow shows to catch on and mature like they did with Cheers. Get out of my head, man.

03-18-11, 04:17 PM	#8
Penguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Rheinische Republik Posts: 3,322 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	Network TV and brains sounds often like a contradiction, I will never ever forgive CBS for cancelling NX... The whole series business looks so fast-paced and generic. "Uh this one didn't work in the first 3 weeks, we'll quickly put out the next show" One of the reasons most seasons today contain only 13 episodes. A show like Star Trek would never had a chance if we had this short-term thinking of today back in the 60s. (off the beaten path, too strange, too complicated) Btw, these series sound like some cool new funny shows, I'm going to check them out as I'm waiting impatiently on the return of "Curb". After my conquest of America, LD and Seinfeld will be forced to put out at least one show every day, muhuahua

03-19-11, 02:46 PM	#11
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	"Star Trek" was cancelled once before it ended it's run; it took a letter writing campaign to have it renewed for waht would be its final season. Networks are not run by creative, artistic persons; they are now run by immense business comnglomerates (NBC = Universal, ABC = Disney, Fox = NewsCorp). CBS, which was split off from Viacom, is less corporate bound and the results show in the ratings as their shows are dominating the top 20 shows. CBS has shown a willingness to stick with a show in spite of initially low ratings. One show, in fact, has strangely grown in ratings (NCIS [original]) even after 5 years in production, a point when most shows are starting to fade. The other networks are not as patient with the shows they present and do not reap the rewards of building an audience. Added to this is the current practice of putting large gaps of time between airing of promisimg shows, causing potential audiences to lose interest and stop following the show. How can an audience build when a few episodes are shown then a gap of weeks happens until the show continues to air new episodes, or, in some cases, they completely reschedule the new episodes to new times on new nights of the week.