what is better?

Jankowski · 07-10-10, 12:44 AM

i am considering making the switch to sh4, but only for the u-boat missions.

now, can anyone tell me, what is better, in terms of everything between SH3 with GwX3.0 and SH4-uboatmissions/operation munson.

has anyone tried out both of them? if so, can you tell me which one is better in terms of u-boats available, amount of ships, loading times, theatres of operation, engine limitations, etc

im too scared to ask in the sh4 forum because i have heard a very rough bunch live there

Paul Riley · 07-10-10, 04:30 AM

I havent played SH4 mate but I think it depends on YOUR preference of theatre above all,either the dark gloomy Atlantic or the warm tropical Pacific.For me the European/Atlantic theatre is my domain,plus GWX3 adds so much to the stock game that I dont think SH4 has even got,yes SH4 graphics may be better but the gameplay might not,and realism and immersion is EVERYTHING to a submarine simulation.
And as for this so called 'rough bunch' in the SH4 forum?,dont let em bother you,its clear yes that a minority ARE rude and arrogant when it comes to newcomers to a game,or if they simply were after information that has been posted before without your knowledge,but most folk are friendly and supportive.
You'll be better staying here with us pal,the Grey Wolves! ,not the sissies that bask on the deck playing cards all day in the Pacific sun,we like our weather cold and wet and the sea even colder! There is nothing finer than ploughing through a North Sea storm on the surface at 16kts chasing a hapless merchant chugging along completely oblivious to whats coming next

sergei · 07-10-10, 04:42 AM

I play both, so I happily frequent both forums.

Most of us over there are a pretty friendly bunch to be honest with you.

Sure, you may come across the occasional Yahoo, but you'll find that in most walks of life.

sergei · 07-10-10, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Riley

. . . not the sissies that bask on the deck playing cards all day in the Pacific sun

Hah, as if we play cards all day.
That is so not the case.
There's also beach volleyball and a frisbee tournament.
I tell ya, it's a tough life in the USN

Paul Riley · 07-10-10, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sergei

Hah, as if we play cards all day.
That is so not the case.
There's also beach volleyball and a frisbee tournament.
I tell ya, it's a tough life in the USN

How about basketball,you could stand at one end and see who gets to dunk the ball through the hatch first?

I hate basketball mind you hehe

TabbyHunter · 07-10-10, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sergei

Hah, as if we play cards all day.
That is so not the case.
There's also beach volleyball and a frisbee tournament.
I tell ya, it's a tough life in the USN

Also dont forget golfing on the Los Angles classes.

Cookie (:

if anyone gets the referance!

les green01 · 07-10-10, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TabbyHunter

Also dont forget golfing on the Los Angles classes.

Cookie (:

if anyone gets the referance!

down periscope

Jankowski · 07-10-10, 05:35 AM

so do you think i should try it out?

sergei · 07-10-10, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jankowski

so do you think i should try it out?

If you already have the game, then yes, why not?
If you gotta buy it, then I'm not so sure.

The SH4 U Boat game does not seem quite as fully developed as SH3 + (insert supermod name here).
Operation Monsun (U Boat Supermod for SH4), is very well done.
But you gotta remember, Lurker has had to do the whole thing pretty much on his own.
GWX (other mods are available!) had a dedicated team working on it for years.
Plus if you look in the downloads section, or mods forum for SH3 you notice a whole bunch of additional mods that have been tailored to add onto GWX.
SH4 UBM never got that sort of love. Which is a shame.

If you really want a decent appraisal of the comparisons/differences between OM and GWX, I'd ask Sailor Steve when he logs on.
He is running multiple careers in both, so is in a better position than me to answer your question.

Jankowski · 07-10-10, 06:52 AM

i have looked at the monsun mod, wow, it looks like sh3s campaign, but is it as detailed?

Sailor Steve · 07-10-10, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jankowski

i have looked at the monsun mod, wow, it looks like sh3s campaign, but is it as detailed?

As far as the actual campaign goes, yes, it is very detailed. As for the other parts, it still need some adding-to. The harbors are nothing like GWX's or WAC's or LSH3's. For some reason there are no neutral ships, so you can sink anything you like except for friendlies. On the other hand the crew and the uniforms are beautiful, and the crew management is just about perfect (except for the part where you have to move crew to the guns yourself, and make sure the gun and bridge crews are moved when submerged or they can be killed by depth charges.

There are parts that are better and parts that are worse. The biggest lack in SH4 is the attention from modders that SH3 gets. As was said above, if you already own it it can't hurt to give it a try. If you have to buy it, stick with SH3 unless you really want the graphics. I play both, but then I play both sides of SH4 too.

McHibbins · 07-10-10, 10:45 AM

We´ve got icecream and aircondition here....but no german beer. So it´s a hard choice !

Try both matey

timmy41 · 07-10-10, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by McHibbins

We´ve got icecream and aircondition here....but no german beer. So it´s a hard choice !

Try both matey

we have icecream flavored beer

Jankowski · 07-10-10, 09:21 PM

yes its a tough choice. but is sh4 being added to? is there a possibility they will fix the harbours and neutral vessels?

Sailor Steve · 07-10-10, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jankowski

yes its a tough choice. but is sh4 being added to? is there a possibility they will fix the harbours and neutral vessels?

It doesn't seem likely at this time, but you never know.

There are new mods being made currently, such as Ducimus' new IXD2 upgrade, but nobody is working on the harbors as far as I know.

07-10-10, 12:44 AM	#1
Jankowski Frogman Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 306 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	what is better? i am considering making the switch to sh4, but only for the u-boat missions. now, can anyone tell me, what is better, in terms of everything between SH3 with GwX3.0 and SH4-uboatmissions/operation munson. has anyone tried out both of them? if so, can you tell me which one is better in terms of u-boats available, amount of ships, loading times, theatres of operation, engine limitations, etc im too scared to ask in the sh4 forum because i have heard a very rough bunch live there

07-10-10, 04:30 AM	#2
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Stay with the Grey Wolves! I havent played SH4 mate but I think it depends on YOUR preference of theatre above all,either the dark gloomy Atlantic or the warm tropical Pacific.For me the European/Atlantic theatre is my domain,plus GWX3 adds so much to the stock game that I dont think SH4 has even got,yes SH4 graphics may be better but the gameplay might not,and realism and immersion is EVERYTHING to a submarine simulation. And as for this so called 'rough bunch' in the SH4 forum?,dont let em bother you,its clear yes that a minority ARE rude and arrogant when it comes to newcomers to a game,or if they simply were after information that has been posted before without your knowledge,but most folk are friendly and supportive. You'll be better staying here with us pal,the Grey Wolves! ,not the sissies that bask on the deck playing cards all day in the Pacific sun,we like our weather cold and wet and the sea even colder! There is nothing finer than ploughing through a North Sea storm on the surface at 16kts chasing a hapless merchant chugging along completely oblivious to whats coming next __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

07-10-10, 10:45 AM	#12
McHibbins Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Good old Germany Posts: 739 Downloads: 80 Uploads: 0	We´ve got icecream and aircondition here....but no german beer. So it´s a hard choice ! Try both matey __________________

07-10-10, 04:42 AM	#3
sergei Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 1,788 Downloads: 405 Uploads: 29	I play both, so I happily frequent both forums. Most of us over there are a pretty friendly bunch to be honest with you. Sure, you may come across the occasional Yahoo, but you'll find that in most walks of life.

07-10-10, 05:35 AM	#8
Jankowski Frogman Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 306 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	so do you think i should try it out?

07-10-10, 06:52 AM	#10
Jankowski Frogman Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 306 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	i have looked at the monsun mod, wow, it looks like sh3s campaign, but is it as detailed?

07-10-10, 09:21 PM	#14
Jankowski Frogman Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 306 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	yes its a tough choice. but is sh4 being added to? is there a possibility they will fix the harbours and neutral vessels?