Grid BF47 , is this a bug or does traffic in fact pass through this area?

Paul Riley · 03-30-10, 05:04 AM

28th Nov 1939

I have just been given orders for my 2nd patrol of career 2 to patrol BF47.Now looking at my map and the slideout map in GWX3 there doesnt seem to be any lanes in this area,the nearest being along the northern section of BF,and the NE section of BE.
My instincts are telling me BDU are trying to find shipping coming out of Gibraltar?,but even that is quite a way away from my current patrol.I could always head west until I reach the HG lane (is it operational at this point of the war?).If all this fails I will probably lurk around some of the western french ports and see what I can find there.
I dont really want any spoilers here,just a confirmation that traffic is known to pass through this area.I will also probably spend about a week patrolling the northern part of BF.

Thanks for any info you may provide here

RConch · 03-30-10, 07:05 AM

Paul,
I did not have much luck there, however I only waited a couple of days, not a week.
Head up to BF 17, the fishing is much better.

Paul Riley · 03-30-10, 10:30 AM

Rconch,
I suspected as much.It should only be a few hours travel from BF47.Will probably spend a week in that area,and if the fishing is not bringing in the goods then I will head out west and return to my old hunting ground,south of Ireland.I swear on my last patrol I was sinking practically one ship a day

,although many of them didnt exceed 2000 tonnes,save for one Granville we nailed.
By the way,is RN presence heavy in and around BF17?

Hitman · 03-30-10, 01:47 PM

Since you are in 1939 France is not yet occupied and there is no close direct threat for the shipping coming from South America and Gibraltar en route to the Western Approaches, the channel, and ports of the french coast. So it should have been a transited area in real life. Opening the campaign and looking at that area in 1939, certainly there is a lot of shipping lanes passing there, so good hunting

RConch · 03-30-10, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Riley

Rconch,
I suspected as much.It should only be a few hours travel from BF47.Will probably spend a week in that area,and if the fishing is not bringing in the goods then I will head out west and return to my old hunting ground,south of Ireland.I swear on my last patrol I was sinking practically one ship a day

,although many of them didnt exceed 2000 tonnes,save for one Granville we nailed.
By the way,is RN presence heavy in and around BF17?

Paul,
I work the southwest portion of BF 17 and there is no permanent RN patrol.
There can be a pair of C+Ds moving through at 15 knots on a straight course. I got one and the other took off.
The northern and north east side where it gets shallow will have those darn elcos buzzing around.
Your time is perfect for traffic, set up just where it breaks to the very deep water.
Later as Hitman says, it will dry up with the fall of France.

Pisces · 03-30-10, 04:21 PM

First of all. The gridlocations you get ordered to patrol have no relation to whether or not there really is traffic at all. It's just some grids the game selects one from based on Flottila and date iirc. Think of it as Dönitz' tactical desiscion. And he was forced to guestimate alot anyway in the absence of straight intel.

Don't forget traffic comming from the western shores of Africa going towards the Brittish Isles. The amount of routes going that way (including the ones originating from the Med.) is several gridspaces wide, almost as wide as a complete BF grid, or a grid the size of the Spain/Portugal Peninsula. So just considering BF47 being on traffic routes or not is a far to narrow scope.

The convoy map doesn't do justice if you compare it with the massive bundle or routes in the campaign editor. I know you didn't want spoilers. But looking in the random generated script layer zoomed out (and without year filter selection) you'll never get a clear idea as to where each ship/convoy will be. Too much data overload. It doesn't show the gridsquares either. That's also not even considering random waypoint choices most units will make along the way.

In short: Don't second guess Unkel D. You'll get bored anyway waiting for something to pass.

03-30-10, 04:57 PM

Hi Paul!
Recommendation:
Give it one day in BF47.
Sometimes the Northwest corner of Spain can yield loners.
The area around BF13/BF15 is generaly very productive.
(If my IX(A) could hack it there, so can your VIIB.)

03-30-10, 05:04 AM	#1
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Grid BF47 , is this a bug or does traffic in fact pass through this area? 28th Nov 1939 I have just been given orders for my 2nd patrol of career 2 to patrol BF47.Now looking at my map and the slideout map in GWX3 there doesnt seem to be any lanes in this area,the nearest being along the northern section of BF,and the NE section of BE. My instincts are telling me BDU are trying to find shipping coming out of Gibraltar?,but even that is quite a way away from my current patrol.I could always head west until I reach the HG lane (is it operational at this point of the war?).If all this fails I will probably lurk around some of the western french ports and see what I can find there. I dont really want any spoilers here,just a confirmation that traffic is known to pass through this area.I will also probably spend about a week patrolling the northern part of BF. Thanks for any info you may provide here __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

03-30-10, 07:05 AM	#2
RConch Captain Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: No. Virginia Posts: 619 Downloads: 518 Uploads: 0	Paul, I did not have much luck there, however I only waited a couple of days, not a week. Head up to BF 17, the fishing is much better. __________________ "Noch und Noch" Prowling the Nord Atlantik with GWX 3.0.

03-30-10, 10:30 AM	#3
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Rconch, I suspected as much.It should only be a few hours travel from BF47.Will probably spend a week in that area,and if the fishing is not bringing in the goods then I will head out west and return to my old hunting ground,south of Ireland.I swear on my last patrol I was sinking practically one ship a day ,although many of them didnt exceed 2000 tonnes,save for one Granville we nailed. By the way,is RN presence heavy in and around BF17? __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

03-30-10, 01:47 PM	#4
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	Since you are in 1939 France is not yet occupied and there is no close direct threat for the shipping coming from South America and Gibraltar en route to the Western Approaches, the channel, and ports of the french coast. So it should have been a transited area in real life. Opening the campaign and looking at that area in 1939, certainly there is a lot of shipping lanes passing there, so good hunting __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

03-30-10, 04:21 PM	#6
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,904 Downloads: 304 Uploads: 0	First of all. The gridlocations you get ordered to patrol have no relation to whether or not there really is traffic at all. It's just some grids the game selects one from based on Flottila and date iirc. Think of it as Dönitz' tactical desiscion. And he was forced to guestimate alot anyway in the absence of straight intel. Don't forget traffic comming from the western shores of Africa going towards the Brittish Isles. The amount of routes going that way (including the ones originating from the Med.) is several gridspaces wide, almost as wide as a complete BF grid, or a grid the size of the Spain/Portugal Peninsula. So just considering BF47 being on traffic routes or not is a far to narrow scope. The convoy map doesn't do justice if you compare it with the massive bundle or routes in the campaign editor. I know you didn't want spoilers. But looking in the random generated script layer zoomed out (and without year filter selection) you'll never get a clear idea as to where each ship/convoy will be. Too much data overload. It doesn't show the gridsquares either. That's also not even considering random waypoint choices most units will make along the way. In short: Don't second guess Unkel D. You'll get bored anyway waiting for something to pass. __________________ My site downloads: https://ricojansen.nl/downloads

03-30-10, 04:57 PM	#7
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Hi Paul! Recommendation: Give it one day in BF47. Sometimes the Northwest corner of Spain can yield loners. The area around BF13/BF15 is generaly very productive. (If my IX(A) could hack it there, so can your VIIB.)