20 Years ago...

[JALU3]

...the PRC was definatly a Red China.
For all those who died, who had hoped for reform.



Yet it looks like the struggle for reform continues to this day.
Detained in Macau
Police close square overnight to bar protest, remain to deter.



But modern technology helps to spread the word.

[Schroeder]

Yep, a shame that the Government still refuses to even talk about it.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Well, at least the Chinese Reds are nicer than the Soviets. If he was a Soviet expatriate, they'd welcome him with open arms, right before shipping him to the Lubiyanka and slapping him with a quarter in the Gulag.
That is, assuming they didn't just shoot him.

[Schroeder]

You are aware that maybe up to 2600 people died during the protests back then?

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

You are aware that maybe up to 2600 people died during the protests back then?

Oh yes, I know and it is a terrible thing. And before that there was Mao's Red Guards and the cultural revolution, another event with a heavy human toll.
But when it comes to mass murders, human rights abuses, and general maltreatment of one's own populace, nobody beats the Stalinists. Not even the Nazis.
At least the Chinese were nice enough to wait for students to protest before killing them. Soviet academia was afforded no such luxury, and joined tens of millions in the Gulag, where they pretty much all died of exposure or starvation or being worked to death. The lucky hundreds of thousands were just shot, or hanged.

It is not my intent to trivialize Tianamen Square in any way, I'm just saying that when it comes to Communism, it could be a lot worse.

[Letum]

I'm not so sure such things can be treated as relative.
It does not make much sense to me to say that one massacre is worse than
any other massacre aside from academic interest.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

But when it comes to mass murders, human rights abuses, and general maltreatment of one's own populace, nobody beats the Stalinists. Not even the Nazis.
At least the Chinese were nice enough to wait for students to protest before killing them. Soviet academia was afforded no such luxury, and joined tens of millions in the Gulag, where they pretty much all died of exposure or starvation or being worked to death. The lucky hundreds of thousands were just shot, or hanged.

I think the Khmer Rouge was the worst of all. Even while millions of Soviet citizens were being sent off to the gulags, for most people, life went on. Compare that to Cambodia, where the entire population was forced into communes, where you could be killed for wearing glasses (because that meant you were an intellectual), and where 20% of the population was executed or starved to death.

[Letum]

I was speaking to a professor in a Chinese university a while ago. He thought
that the Chinese economic success was slowing down or even reversing the
little progress that was being made in government reform as it made it easier
to cover the cracks in the system.

Apparently any intellectually freedom in the humanities departments all but
vanished after Tienanmen and has not come back.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by JALU3

...the PRC was definatly a Red China.
For all those who died, who had hoped for reform.



Yet it looks like the struggle for reform continues to this day.
Detained in Macau
Police close square overnight to bar protest, remain to deter.



But modern technology helps to spread the word.

puts on zampolit hat....

and as subsim's official zampolit; none of this ever happened. It was just hollywood film footage from set of Red Dawn.

The Chinese characters translate: Moo Shoo pork, it does the body good.


...and those tanks, that is our new SUV. The man was just a hapless pedestrian.