Run away lorry and why im getting dismissed

[Kapitan]

Well today i finaly find out that im up for dismissal heres the facts.

While going up a steep hill we parked the dust cart / trash truck in the road as per normal, now the weather was very bad snow and ice every where.
the driver put the hand brake on but not long after we left the truck it started slidding down the hill. (uhoh not good and dead right it isnt)

So now we have a 26 tonne run away truck that we are chasing after like a couple of lemons, going down hill getting faster and faster (you might as well had put ski's on it) but eventualy it hit a ford fiesta and mangled it up (not surprising) it then went on to hit a much larger car a ford mondeo and again smashed it up pretty good.

Finaly it hit a S type Jaguar again doing alot of damage, before it went up a small ramp through a wooden fence and sliding up a small garden hitting the washing line, (which we later found wrapped around the back axle).

What we didnt see was the fact that the bin lift had smashed a window on a double glazed door (oh dear indeed), so far all 3 cars are confirmed write off's all the electrics and sensors for the bin lift the hydraulics and the bin lift itself is mangled and will cost to repair.

Estimated damage cost £120,000

Damage to the truck:

One new bin lift with automated sensors presure pads and rams £50,000
To have the hopper re aligned and if possible panel beated out £11,200 failure of that a whole new hopper at £13,600
new back axle £4,300
Fine for being 2.420 tonnes over wieght £950

(the truck is licenced to take upto 26 tonnes on the wiegh bridge it was 28.420 tonnes a whole 2.42 tonnes over wieght!)

Now the argument we have is the road itself should have been gritted, brakes should have been checked on the service it had 8 months before hand, and the fact there was no one in the lorry while it was in motion.

There side is: we caused the damage through what can be seen as negligence, and negligent acts that could harm members of the public, the fact we dissmissed our right to refuse to clear a road because of possible dangers and unforseen hazards, the fact the viachle was over wieght at the time of the incident, and that some one must stay with the viachle to at least control the viachle if something like this occurs.

All 3 of us have been suspended without pay and its looking likely that we are loosing our jobs over this, we just have to wait and see what the unions say.

[bradclark1]

Honest opinion! Driver should have should have known better and is responsible. Lucky it wasn't involuntary manslaughter.

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Honest opinion! Driver should have should have known better and is responsible. Lucky it wasn't involuntary manslaughter.

Yea, my question there is... why did the driver leave a 28t truck parked on what you describe as a 'steep hill' in less-than-ideal conditions and exit the vehicle?

[fatty]

This sounds pretty awesome, did it make the news? I admit I winced when I read about the Jag

But yes, I have to agree that it is difficult to imagine leaving a 28 tonne truck parked on an icy hill as being a sensible idea.

PS: congrats to self on becoming a seaman, yesssssssssssss

[SUBMAN1]

Wow. The driver is responsible. However, that doesn't make you responsible. Not sure why you are involved in this over that, unless you were the driver of course.

-S

[fatty]

Kap mentioned negligence, so I guess it would depend on if he or his buddy neglected to take preventive action or at least point out the danger of the situation to the driver.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by fatty

This sounds pretty awesome, did it make the news? I admit I winced when I read about the Jag

I didnt. I laughed. It means some rich duffer needs to pay another £20,000 for a new one


Nice one Kapitan, at least it was done with style

[mog]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Nice one Kapitan, at least it was done with style

I agree. If you're going to get fired from a job, it might as well be for a spectacular 120 000 quid disaster.

[TteFAboB]

Sounds like the Lorry of Doom, Death and Destruction! :rotfl:
I'd like to have seen it, I like Demolition Derbies.

Anyway, it's not only the driver's and city council's fault. You don't park a Type S Jaguar outside and you definitely don't leave it out in the rain.

Wish you the best Kaptain.

[Iceman]

Sounds like what we call "An Act Of God"...**** happens...this is what insurance is for...and good point about the county/state not having gravel on the road etc...if they can admit they're fault it should simply be dismissed as an unforseeable accident..again this is what insurance is for...go after the state...I hope your union hangs tough with you....but there is one butt...if you the "Responsible" driver should/could have seen a potential hazzard then you I say "are" at fault..but again...insurance....not a firable offense just an accident....damn hope you come out all right.

[Kapitan]

All we were doing was collectiong bags of green waste, the driver was helping us as he normaly does its not an uncommon thing, we just wanted to get to the tip early as does every one and we were quite far ahead untill this.

We didnt refuse the road as we would have been sent back to to it later the same day to go and collect so we couldnt win and we would get a bollacking for not doing it, in reality we dont have the right to refuse to do a road.

The brake itself should have been adequate to stop the viechle, and it was.

The reason the council probably didnt grit that road is because its not a major road, and only 46 houses on the road.

Also im negligent for allowing the lorry to enter the road as i should have said it is too dangerous to stop the viechle.
But again if i had said no to doing the road we would have been sent back and forced to do it later in the day so the same thing may have happend.

As to making the press yes it made the metro on friday and also the london lite (i think it made london lite not sure though).

[The Avon Lady]

Well, it's either the merchant marine or the foreign legion for you now, Kap! :hmm:

[The Avon Lady]

Kap, are you sure your garbage truck didn't slide all the way to Minnesota? :hmm:

[badhat17]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

Also im negligent for allowing the lorry to enter the road as i should have said it is too dangerous to stop the viechle.
But again if i had said no to doing the road we would have been sent back and forced to do it later in the day so the same thing may have happend.

Are you qualified to drive this vehicle Kap ? If you are not then you should not be expected to make that safety call, it would be your drivers decision.

Your driver left the vehicle unattended, he was helping with the collection you say. Is that his job ? I would imagine it is not. Was he doing this at your bequest ? Are you the team leader ?

Unless you asked the driver to help with the collection task then you ought not take any blame over this. It depends on what authority you have over the driver. Check you employment contract and your employees handbook for terms and conditions. If you were in charge of this vehicle team then you will share some responsibility, if not you shouldn't.

A driver is responsible for the vehicle no matter what though, he left the cab and is at fault.

Suspended without pay, that is unusual. They should keep paying you until you are actualy dismissed.

[Kapitan]

The veichle is classified as HGV class 2 and im not qualified to drive it but as i am chief loader as the other two guys were agency i have to make the decision.

The driver is required to help the loading of the lorry as and when he can, the brakes were fine only 30% worn but when the driver went through the paper work it appeared they hadnt been checked he told the supervisior and manager about this (after the crash) but they took it into the work shops and had it all off and found the brakes were only 12% worn.

And if the 6 weekly checks were ever done they would have rectified alot of the current faults such as the ones with the sliding doors that like to decapitate the loaders.



This is similar to the one i work on but this one is smaller and is 17 tonnes, the one i work on is bigger has another axle and carrys 26 tonnes, and has sliding doors.