AUKUS

[ET2SN]

Its best to hear it from the horse's mouth.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

CHIRUS Partners now........ good luck to the trump clon, to the rosbeef and the fella if France leaves NATO, because they said we are vital and solid rock, but we know now they are lying !

BRAVO AMERICA FIRST!

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals...n-organization

You could be speaking German now in case you have forgotten your history.

[UglyMowgli]

According to the Australian finance minister, the US will loan some refitted 688



So no brand new toys.


And one 688 has a crew of 3 Collins, an another problem, the Asutralain navy will need to recruit a lot!

[Reece]

More jobs!!

[Exocet25fr]

You could be speaking German now in case you have forgotten your history.

Sure without Gilbert du Motier, marquis de La Fayette and other allies in case you have forgotten history too....!

In fact america first is shiving, you derive to cold war and the Atomic War isn't a taboo for you now!. So I'm worry about Phascolarctos cinereus and Macropodidae....!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by ET2SN

Its best to hear it from the horse's mouth.

A good report

Interestingly or not, the French Antarctic resupply ship is undergoing maintenance in Western Australia before the summer Antarctic programme.

[Jimbuna]

The UK's new security agreement with the US and Australia will make it safer and could create hundreds of new jobs, the new foreign secretary has said.

The pact, known as Aukus, will see Australia being given the technology to build nuclear-powered submarines.

Liz Truss said it showed the UK's readiness to be "hard-headed" in defending its interests.

But France, whose own submarine deal with Australia was thwarted as a result, has criticised the agreement.

It has recalled its ambassadors in the US and Australia for consultations in response, while China has accused the three powers of having a "Cold War mentality".

The alliance - widely seen as an effort to counter China's influence in the contested South China Sea - was announced by US President Joe Biden, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his Australian counterpart Scott Morrison on Wednesday.

Ms Truss said the partnership showed the UK's commitment to stability in the Indo-Pacific region.

She wrote: "Freedoms need to be defended, so we are also building strong security ties around the world.

"This is about more than foreign policy in the abstract, but delivering for people across the UK and beyond by partnering with like-minded countries to build coalitions based on shared values and shared interests."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58613195

[ET2SN]

Originally Posted by UglyMowgli

According to the Australian finance minister, the US will loan some refitted 688



So no brand new toys.


And one 688 has a crew of 3 Collins, an another problem, the Asutralain navy will need to recruit a lot!

That makes no sense for several reasons.
My best guess is that there may be a plan to use one of the floating reactor school houses, like the ex-USS San Francisco, to train the engineering crew.

Otherwise, have you got a link?

[Jimbuna]

The Australians are defending their position.

Australia has defended its decision to scrap a multi-billion dollar submarine purchase from France in favour of a new security pact with the US and UK.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison rejected accusations that Australia had lied, saying France should have been aware it was prepared to break the deal.

France says the Aukus pact has led to a "serious crisis" between the allies.

In an unprecedented move, it has recalled its ambassadors from the US and Australia as a sign of protest.

Under the Aukus pact, Australia will be given the technology to build nuclear-powered submarines as a way of countering China's influence in the contested South China Sea.

The partnership has ended a deal worth $37bn (£27bn) signed by Australia in 2016 for France to build 12 conventional submarines. France says it was informed of the pact only hours before the public announcement was made earlier this week.

Mr Morrison on Sunday said he understood France's disappointment, but that he had always been clear about Australia's position.

The French government "would have had every reason to know that we had deep and grave concerns", he said.

"Ultimately this was a decision about whether the submarines that were being built, at great cost to the Australian taxpayer, were going to be able to do a job that we needed it to do when they went into service and our strategic judgment based on the best possible of intelligence and defence advice was that it would not."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-58616759

[UglyMowgli]

Originally Posted by ET2SN

That makes no sense for several reasons.
My best guess is that there may be a plan to use one of the floating reactor school houses, like the ex-USS San Francisco, to train the engineering crew.

Otherwise, have you got a link?

Watch the latest ABC Insider with Simon Birmingham .


Short term lease of US SSN to train crew

Not any idea about the cost of the new "deal" nor the number of ships or the timeline.





and one more link:
Australia stands up to China – by delaying submarine project for a decade


https://asiapacificdefencereporter.c...-for-a-decade/

[Skybird]

Excellent assessment. Hard, grim, true truths.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58614229


The French - and the EU - must not like it. Living up to the inevitable conclusions would already be sufficient. And is indispensable.

[Catfish]

^ "The French must see there is no point in wailing about having been shoddily treated. They were."

"But the second painful truth exposed by the Aukus affair is that the US no longer has any great interest in the outdated behemoth that is Nato. Nor does it harbour any particular loyalty to those who have stood by its side."

"So what can France do?
Accept realities. Try to form ad hoc alliances (like Macron was indeed trying to do in the Indo-Pacific). Keep pushing the Germans to get over their 20th Century complexes and act like the power they really are."

Time to restructure the brain-dead NATO without the US indeed. And maybe without the UK.

[Skybird]

NATO without the US and without the UK?



Well, at least the Swiss army will be CO2 neutral by 2050, we should bring them in to take the anglosaxons' part. And German pregnant recruits can drive around in the PUMA without needing to fear inhaling aerosols putting their fetus at risk.
I mean we cannot even defend our borders against unarmed mass migration getting pushed in by criminals, Belarus and Turkey. But we think we must choose the Far East Pacific, Afghanistan and Mali as our playfields...?

Seeing is believing. until then, I wait. And I don't hold my breath.

[Catfish]

Logical consequence of what your link posted, and what i reposted.
Of course the name will be a different one. 'Not Able To Organize' was a bit disenchanting anyway.

AFAIK the decision to share nuclear sub tech with Australia was an unilateral US one, the UK was 'informed' and quickly jumped the bandwagon.
If Germany would decide to build nuclear subs and ballistic missiles in a european frame, i don't think this would be an unsurmountable technical challenge. Unilateral decisions lead to unexpected outcomes

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

NATO without the US and without the UK?



Well, at least the Swiss army will be CO2 neutral by 2050, we should bring them in to take the anglosaxons' part. And German pregnant recruits can drive around in the PUMA without needing to fear inhaling aerosols putting their fetus at risk.
I mean we cannot even defend our borders against unarmed mass migration getting pushed in by criminals, Belarus and Turkey. But we think we must choose the Far East Pacific, Afghanistan and Mali as our playfields...?

Seeing is believing. until then, I wait. And I don't hold my breath.

There are politicians in Europe who think that EU can create a substitut to NATO who will have same strength as NATO.

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