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Old 10-14-19, 02:29 PM   #1
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Hehe. Just stumbled over this. bravo. This journapist is apparently old-school , he knows his business and he does what is his job. Cannot say that about many journalists anymore.





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Andrew Neil, BBC-Interviewer:
I’ve seen some of your activists claim on TV that billions of people are going to die in quite short order. One of your founders, Roger Hallam, said in April, “Our children are going to die in the next ten to twenty years”. What’s the scientific basis for these claims?
Zion Lights, UK-Sprecherin ‚Extinction Rebellion‘:
So, these claims have been disputed, admittedly. There are some scientists who are agreeing and there are some who are saying that they are simply not true, but… you know, the overall issue is that these deaths are going to have— We don’t know exact numbers, and actually it’s a little bit, um… you know… concerning, to focus on how, just how many deaths… There will be deaths and mass suffering, and that— You know, any… any amount is enough as far as we are concerned.
Andrew Neil:
But most scientists don’t agree with this. Climate change scientists, those who know there is a problem and it has to be tackled and things have to be done, more has to be done than’s being done. I looked through the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the latest AR5 [= IPCC Fifth Assessment Report] and the October of last year special report, [= IPCC Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5 °C] I see no reference to billions of people going to die or children going to die in under 20 years.
XR-Sprecherin:
Well, we’re not claim— I don’t think he was claiming that that was from that report…
Andrew Neil:
No, I know that, but what I’m saying is, I don’t know where the scientific validity comes for that, I mean, how would they die?
XR-Sprecherin:
[Pauses.] Mass migration… around the world already taking place, due to prolonged drought in countries, um, particularly in South Asia. There are wildfires in Indonesia… the Amazon rainforest… also Siberia… you know, the Arctic… There will be deaths and suffer—
Andrew Neil:
These are all really important problems and they can cause fatalities. But they don’t cause billions of deaths. They don’t mean that our young people will all be dead in 20 years.
XR-Sprecherin:
No, perhaps not in 20 years, but… I can’t speak to what Roger was, um, you know—
Andrew Neil:
He’s one of your founders.
XR-Sprecherin:
He’s one of the members of Extinction Rebellion, yes.
Andrew Neil:
I mean, you talk weather-related disasters, there seem to be a lot of them around at the moment. And people die from them. But in the latest figures I’ve seen, a hundred years ago weather-related disasters killed half a million people a year; today it’s 20,000 a year. Still 20,000 too many, but it’s a reduction of 95,000. It doesn’t lead to the— er, 95 %. A reduction of 95 %. It does not lead to a death of billions. I mean, you’re scaring people with this rhetoric, aren’t you?
XR-Sprecherin:
I think there, I think there’s a danger of scaring people simply because we’re not taking it seriously enough and people are feeling really, you know, desperate that we’re heard on this. And… and unfortunately, you know, alarmist language works, [!] which is why we’re discussing it right now.
Andrew Neil:
But does it work? It could. I mean, I’ve seen young girls on television, part of your demonstration, particularly the school ones, when they take the day off to demonstrate, crying because they think they’re gonna die in five or six years time…
XR-Sprecherin:
No, it’s not necessarily…
Andrew Neil:
…crying because they don’t think they’ll ever see adulthood, and yet there is no scientific basis for the claims that your organization is making.
XR-Sprecherin:
The young people I’ve spoken to aren’t crying because they think they’re going to die in a few years, it’s because they don’t see their children as having a future, they don’t want to have children. And they’re worrying about, you know, coastal regions going underwater, other countries and island nations going underwater, you know, the Maldives going underwater, the mass displacement that’s happening, the weather extremes – which may, may be on a downward trajectory, but climate scientists are telling us that they will be on the increase.
Andrew Neil:
Well take, um, rising sea levels, because the sea levels are rising, there’s no dou— the UN IPCC makes that quite clear. But even the UN IPCC says that its median projection for sea rising is half a meter by 2100, at the end of this century. Now that will create problems, from places from Miami to Bangladesh, but half a meter will not result in billions of people dying. If we do the right thing, it could be managed.
XR-Sprecherin:
[Pause.] If we do the right thing, but we’re not doing much at all at the moment, so this is one of the problems.
Andrew Neil:
But you accept that half a meter would not, if the UN median projection is right, would not result in the sort of… apocalyptic predictions that your organization makes.
XR-Sprecherin:
They’re very conservative numbers, that’s what we’d say. And actually, a lot of the data in the IPCC report— Not, not criticizing scientists because they did an incredible job, using [sic] pre-industrial levels of data. They’re looking at, you know, carbon emiss— They’re not looked [sic] at factoring feedback loops, things like this. There are, there are climate scientists saying now that we think it’s a lot worse. You know, James Hansen, ex-NASA scientist, is saying we’re in a “planetary emergency”, so we’re using that language, we’re not, we’re not trying to use alarmist language, we’re listening to what scientists are saying and using language that we feel is appropriate to the situation.
Andrew Neil:
You are using alarmist language, one of your other founders said that she thought everybody could be dead within several decades, 97 % was the figure that she put on it. But you want… At the moment, the IPCC policy, the agreed policy, is to try and cut carbon emissions in half by 2030 and go to zero net emissions by 2050. But you want 2025 for zero emissions, only six years away. What would that require?
XR-Sprecherin:
I mean, I’m not here to answ— to give you solutions and to tell you what we should be doing, that’s not my—
Andrew Neil:
Why not? You’re damming up the whole of Westminster for your cause.
XR-Sprecherin:
Well, what we’re saying is listen to the experts. We’re listen— we’re saying, listen to the experts, let’s listen to what their ideas are, what they’re saying, and at the moment we’re not putting those plans in place, we’re not creating policies that reflect what those scientists are saying. This is why we’re protesting.
Andrew Neil:
Well, the experts have a consensus around getting net zero by 2050. You’re saying 2025, you’re not listening to the experts.
XR-Sprecherin:
So, there is some interesting— Well, there is some research into the IPCC report that is more recent, by Professor Michael Mann, who looked at where they came up with the 2050 figure. And actually they’re relying on a carbon capture bio… gas energy storage, ‚bex‘. [Gemeint ist offenbar 'Bio-energy with carbon capture and storage', BECCS.] And there’s a problem with that, that it’s an untested technology, and by relying on that there’s a 50/50 chance that we will fail with the 2050 year in place.
Andrew Neil:
You can always pick one piece of research. The fact is the IPCC report has 6,000 scientific references, 91 authors, and is a global consensus with review editors from 40 countries. But let’s come back to the 2025 target. One critic has said it would mean the confiscation of petrol cars, state rationing of meat, and limiting families to one flight every five years – and that was actually on a 2030 target. Do you agree with that?
XR-Sprecherin:
I agree that we need to do whatever it takes to bring emissions down, to, you know, allow young people to have a future, you know, be able to have some… some hope for the future, and I’m not, I’m not saying that because we’re alarming children. I’m listening to what they’re saying, they’re learning about the consequences of climate change at school, and they’re worrying about—
Andrew Neil:
Sure. Of course. They’re not arguing about the consequences of climate change at all. But you would have to stop, to reach your target, you’d have to stop all flying. Aviation would come to an end.
XR-Sprecherin:
Possibly. I mean…
Andrew Neil:
By 2025?
XR-Sprecherin:
Again, this is not— This is something that we need to look— At the a— We need to look at the aviation industry, we need to do an analysis on what needs to happen, and then we need to take action.
Andrew Neil:
Well, we know what would—
XR-Sprecherin:
On all industries: agriculture, energy, everything. I’m not claiming to be an expert in these areas.
Andrew Neil:
We know what would happen if we stopped all flying. It would reduce global temperatures, using the mainstream climate models, by 0.03 degrees. 0.03 degrees – and you would stop all flying for that?
XR-Sprecherin:
But what you’ve just said with the IPCC report, we’re both in agreement that we listen to that, that’s 99% consensus of scientists, that’s great, we agree with that. So that report is saying, if we don’t bring emissions down to… to halt warming to 1.5 degrees—
Andrew Neil:
I understand!
XR-Sprecherin:
So, so… Aren’t we in agreement that we have to, we have to…
Andrew Neil:
It’s the 2025 target which is the keystone of your policy.
XR-Sprecherin:
It’s the precautionary principle… It’s the precautionary principle that says—
Andrew Neil:
Let me just ask you this. Most homes in this country are heated by gas. Most people cook with gas. The fact is: All of that would have to go in six years for a 2025 target, wouldn’t it? All of it?
XR-Sprecherin:
We put a man on the moon before we had the internet and mobile phones. We made an international space station, 16 countries worked together to make this and send the parts into space, independently using math and assemble it in space. If we really wanted to tackle this emergency, Dr James Hansen, an ex-NASA scientist, calling it a ‚planetary emergency‘, Lord Stern, former—
Andrew Neil:
So no cooking with gas, or heating with gas, in six years time?
XR-Sprecherin:
But we’ve had 30 years to think of better solutions and now is the time to act to bring down those emissions before it’s too late.
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Old 10-15-19, 04:17 AM   #2
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My favourite broadcaster, his long running show This Week which ran from approx. 2003 till July 2019 was in my top three favourites
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Andrew Neil I would call him "the Rottweiller" he is like a dog with a bone, never let's go.
He has a program on every Wednesday evening on BBC2 which is unmissable for me.

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Just a bunch of crackpots who are a pain in the arse.
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You probably modelled yourself on them then
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You probably modelled yourself on them then
Nope, I am more fun not like that lot of miserable sods.
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Nope, I am more fun not like that lot of miserable sods.
Good job you can't read my PM's then
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Reece, jim is on goofy juice again.
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Andrew Neil I would call him "the Rottweiller" he is like a dog with a bone, never let's go.
He has a program on every Wednesday evening on BBC2 which is unmissable for me.

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That would be The Andrew Neil Show.

Never missed an episode yet, as young as it is.
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