Thank-you Poland!

nikimcbee · 05-21-07, 10:39 PM

Thanks for helping us!
You guys rock

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Polak · 05-22-07, 12:37 PM

I salute, and thank you. It's always nice to hear some positive words from one of our allies about our efforts.

I also recomend this movie about our combat capabilities:

There should be some Iraq/Afghanistan footage in there to.

We stand and bleed with you in combat.

nikimcbee · 05-22-07, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Polak

I salute, and thank you. It's always nice to hear some positive words from one of our allies about our efforts.

I also recomend this movie about our combat capabilities:

There should be some Iraq/Afghanistan footage in there to.

We stand and bleed with you in combat.

That was a neat video.

Thank-you. It makes me mad, whenever I hear people joke about Poland's performance in WW2 in 1939. I've been reading about the Polish Air Force. You guys put up quite a fight. I admire your collective spirit and bravery.

Grom · 05-22-07, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

It makes me mad, whenever I hear people joke about Poland's performance in WW2 in 1939.

People are just people, they were talking, are talking, and will talking. Nothing to pay attention at. I am proud to be Polish, proud of Poles during WW2 and their heroism.

Tasman · 05-24-07, 02:34 PM

Poland as a State exist from X century. We beat Teutons in the bigest medieval battle (battle of tannenberg 1410); next Republic of Poland was one of the bigest country in the Europe - from Baltic Sea to Black Sea; in 1683 we saved a Europe from a Mussulmen when we stopped Turkey troops in battle of Vienna; in 1791 we resolved first constitution in Europe; after betrayal we lost independence and we fought next to Napoleon about freedom; after 123 years we back as free and in 1919 we stopped the march of Bolsheviks when communisten tried remove capital of communism from Moscow to Berlin; in II WW Polish soldiers fought on all of the fronts - do you know haw many Polish soldiers participated in parade of victory in Moscow and London? Prize for us fought was almost 45 years of communism; next we overthrow this patologic system and now we can say: we help to join Europe.
What we should do more for others respect? What we should do more for Europe yet?

KrvKpt. Falke · 05-24-07, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tasman

next Republic of Poland was one of the bigest country in the Europe - from Baltic Sea to Black Sea

It wasnt Republic of Poland but Polish-Lithuanian Union: a two countries (kingdoms) ruled by one king.

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What we should do more for others respect? What we should do more for Europe yet?

Get rid of twin brothers :p

Kaleu_Mihoo · 06-02-07, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tasman

What we should do more for Europe yet?

Don't ask what what we should do for Europe, ask what Europe can do for us...

Rose · 06-02-07, 05:03 PM

I admire the heroism of the Polish during WWII. They faught bravely in '39, but were beaten back by two much more advanced armies. I greatly respect them for their roles AFTER the fall of Poland as well -- at Warsaw in '44, on D-Day landing with the British, and the Poles who flew from the UK over France in '44 and '45.

Kaleu_Mihoo · 06-03-07, 03:09 AM

It's really nice to see there are people with so much knowledge about our military history here around. Gents, share your knowledge with others in your countries, because these facts are little known in the general public. Thank you!

Polak · 06-03-07, 12:21 PM

Once again, I am grateful for all the kind words. It’s very nice for me as a Pole that you two gents know something about our history. I believe that history for Poles is a very touchy subject since it has treated us very unfair. Our efforts are rarely noted, and if people mention polish war efforts they usually talk about Polish cavalry attacks against tanks, which are outright propaganda.

People rarely talk about how the Poles saved Europe from a ottoman invasion at Vienna, or how we stopped the Bolshevik expansion in the 1920’s. I think that Americans and the French should at least know something about this since you participated in this war, and made a Polish victory possible. Poles and Americans actually share a lot of common history, the American cavalry was originally created by a polish general and Poland aided the States countless times, as did the States do in return.

An other very touchy subject for us is WW2, we often meet with stereotypes such as the earlier mentioned cavalry attacks or how we got blitzed by the Germans.
The facts are that Poland had a very big army before the war, and our technology was far superior to the Soviet one, and at some areas it was even far superior to German technology, once again no one knows about this. No one knows about the Polish medium bomber £o¶, which was the most modern medium bomber at the time, instead everyone talk about how the polish air force got destroyed on the ground.

Polish antitank weapons are also never mentioned, they too where state of the art equipment when the war broke out. The Germans actually used technology from captured polish weapons in their machineguns, the technology is still used today in the famous H&K MP5. Poles also brought a lot of technology to England during the war, we had some great solutions for bombing-bay doors and we had the revolutionary bombsights that where then adapted by all allied air fleets.

Polish efforts in breaking the Enigma code are always overseen, people think that the English broke the enigma code, but it was actually the Poles. The polish intelligence service already hade the code for the tree-rotor enigma before the war.

“When the polish general staff was working for a plan against a possible German attack or a possible Soviet attack the polish generals asked field marshal Józef Pi³sudski, why they are not working on a plan against a joint German-Soviet attack.
Pi³sudski replied that it would be a waste of his soldiers, and that he would expect only the general staff to fight with their sabers at the Saxon palace(General HQ) against the attackers.”

Field marshal Józef Pi³sudski was more than right in his statement, it would be a tremendous waste of his soldiers. Fortunately for him, he did not live long enough to see WW2. Poland did not have a chance against both the Germans and the Soviets, a two front war, alone against those two countries was impossible.

I am sorry if you find me to be bragging about my country, but most Poles are tiered off when they and their efforts are being ignored.
The Germans are better of than we today, and they lost the war… A polish delegation was not even invited to the victory days in Moscow two years back.
Finally what I am aiming at, is that when we hear people like you say something positive about our efforts, we get really moved. I am sure that you would be welcomed in every home in Poland for such statements. You are most certainly welcomed in my house at anytime, wodka and food is all on me.

/Polak

Rose · 06-04-07, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Polak

Poland aided the States countless times

Even in the American Revolution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Ko%C5%9Bciuszko

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Originally Posted by Polak

technology was far superior to the Soviet one, and at some areas it was even far superior to German technology, once again no one knows about this.

I actually thought that the Polish were technologically behind (like the French and Americans at the beginning), but I guess I was wrong. I DID know that they had (almost) the same amount of men as the Germans, but that their lines were spread so thin because of the length of the Polish border, so the Germans slipped and pushed through the openings.

I also learned that the Polish air force was greatly damaged on the ground, but that the remaining planes destroyed or damaged 500 Luftwaffe planes. Amazing. I got much of my information out of a book called the Atlas of WWII and another book called simply World War Two.

This is a good page (I know, it's Wikipedia, but I'm lazy and I like Wikipedia): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_...bution_to_WWII

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wodka ... is all on me.

Hmmm, that's an enticing offer. I'll let you know if I'm ever in Poland

nikimcbee · 06-04-07, 11:50 PM

The closest I've been to Poland, was the Polish part of Chicago. That was an interesting experience (not in a good way

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Grom · 06-05-07, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

The closest I've been to Poland, was the Polish part of Chicago. That was an interesting experience (not in a good way

)

You can alway meet good and bad people. Doesnt matter what nationality they have. I used to say about war: not every polish guy was good, and not every german guy was bad.

Polak · 06-05-07, 04:22 AM

I apologize for not giving any sources to my statements, now I realize that it can be hard to believe me when I introduce so much different historic knowledge. If anyone is interested in further reading and in getting to know a different approach to polish war efforts in WW2, I recommend the following web pages:
http://www.ww2.pl/
http://www.polandinexile.com/index.html

You will find loads of information and a lot of myths will be busted, such as the polish air force being destroyed on the ground.
The first web page is very credible since it is administrated by the Polish government. Both web pages provide very credible sources, such as state archives and likewise.

I have spent my share of time in western countries and I’ve read many “western” history books. Unfortunately they provide a very wrong picture of Poland and WW2.
I believe that this is mostly caused by the fact that we where enemies throughout the cold war, and we had the iron curtain dividing us. And why should two enemies create a good historical picture of each other?

The natural thing is to believe your own sources and your own history books, so history as a discussion topic is a great conflict starter. I personally believe that an opened mind is needed when approaching history, I can clearly see that you guys have an opened mind.

mariuszj1939 · 06-05-07, 05:08 AM

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05-21-07, 10:39 PM	#1
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,924 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Thank-you Poland! Thanks for helping us! You guys rock Spasibo = = = __________________

05-22-07, 12:37 PM	#2
Polak Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Poland/Sweden Posts: 808 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I salute, and thank you. It's always nice to hear some positive words from one of our allies about our efforts. I also recomend this movie about our combat capabilities: There should be some Iraq/Afghanistan footage in there to. We stand and bleed with you in combat. __________________

05-24-07, 02:34 PM	#5
Tasman Gunner Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 99 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Poland as a State exist from X century. We beat Teutons in the bigest medieval battle (battle of tannenberg 1410); next Republic of Poland was one of the bigest country in the Europe - from Baltic Sea to Black Sea; in 1683 we saved a Europe from a Mussulmen when we stopped Turkey troops in battle of Vienna; in 1791 we resolved first constitution in Europe; after betrayal we lost independence and we fought next to Napoleon about freedom; after 123 years we back as free and in 1919 we stopped the march of Bolsheviks when communisten tried remove capital of communism from Moscow to Berlin; in II WW Polish soldiers fought on all of the fronts - do you know haw many Polish soldiers participated in parade of victory in Moscow and London? Prize for us fought was almost 45 years of communism; next we overthrow this patologic system and now we can say: we help to join Europe. What we should do more for others respect? What we should do more for Europe yet? Last edited by Tasman; 05-24-07 at 06:56 PM.

06-03-07, 03:09 AM	#9
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06-03-07, 12:21 PM	#10
Polak Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Poland/Sweden Posts: 808 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Once again, I am grateful for all the kind words. It’s very nice for me as a Pole that you two gents know something about our history. I believe that history for Poles is a very touchy subject since it has treated us very unfair. Our efforts are rarely noted, and if people mention polish war efforts they usually talk about Polish cavalry attacks against tanks, which are outright propaganda. People rarely talk about how the Poles saved Europe from a ottoman invasion at Vienna, or how we stopped the Bolshevik expansion in the 1920’s. I think that Americans and the French should at least know something about this since you participated in this war, and made a Polish victory possible. Poles and Americans actually share a lot of common history, the American cavalry was originally created by a polish general and Poland aided the States countless times, as did the States do in return. An other very touchy subject for us is WW2, we often meet with stereotypes such as the earlier mentioned cavalry attacks or how we got blitzed by the Germans. The facts are that Poland had a very big army before the war, and our technology was far superior to the Soviet one, and at some areas it was even far superior to German technology, once again no one knows about this. No one knows about the Polish medium bomber £o¶, which was the most modern medium bomber at the time, instead everyone talk about how the polish air force got destroyed on the ground. Polish antitank weapons are also never mentioned, they too where state of the art equipment when the war broke out. The Germans actually used technology from captured polish weapons in their machineguns, the technology is still used today in the famous H&K MP5. Poles also brought a lot of technology to England during the war, we had some great solutions for bombing-bay doors and we had the revolutionary bombsights that where then adapted by all allied air fleets. Polish efforts in breaking the Enigma code are always overseen, people think that the English broke the enigma code, but it was actually the Poles. The polish intelligence service already hade the code for the tree-rotor enigma before the war. “When the polish general staff was working for a plan against a possible German attack or a possible Soviet attack the polish generals asked field marshal Józef Pi³sudski, why they are not working on a plan against a joint German-Soviet attack. Pi³sudski replied that it would be a waste of his soldiers, and that he would expect only the general staff to fight with their sabers at the Saxon palace(General HQ) against the attackers.” Field marshal Józef Pi³sudski was more than right in his statement, it would be a tremendous waste of his soldiers. Fortunately for him, he did not live long enough to see WW2. Poland did not have a chance against both the Germans and the Soviets, a two front war, alone against those two countries was impossible. I am sorry if you find me to be bragging about my country, but most Poles are tiered off when they and their efforts are being ignored. The Germans are better of than we today, and they lost the war… A polish delegation was not even invited to the victory days in Moscow two years back. Finally what I am aiming at, is that when we hear people like you say something positive about our efforts, we get really moved. I am sure that you would be welcomed in every home in Poland for such statements. You are most certainly welcomed in my house at anytime, wodka and food is all on me. /Polak __________________

06-02-07, 05:03 PM	#8
Rose Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 966 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I admire the heroism of the Polish during WWII. They faught bravely in '39, but were beaten back by two much more advanced armies. I greatly respect them for their roles AFTER the fall of Poland as well -- at Warsaw in '44, on D-Day landing with the British, and the Poles who flew from the UK over France in '44 and '45.

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06-05-07, 04:22 AM	#14
Polak Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Poland/Sweden Posts: 808 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I apologize for not giving any sources to my statements, now I realize that it can be hard to believe me when I introduce so much different historic knowledge. If anyone is interested in further reading and in getting to know a different approach to polish war efforts in WW2, I recommend the following web pages: http://www.ww2.pl/ http://www.polandinexile.com/index.html You will find loads of information and a lot of myths will be busted, such as the polish air force being destroyed on the ground. The first web page is very credible since it is administrated by the Polish government. Both web pages provide very credible sources, such as state archives and likewise. I have spent my share of time in western countries and I’ve read many “western” history books. Unfortunately they provide a very wrong picture of Poland and WW2. I believe that this is mostly caused by the fact that we where enemies throughout the cold war, and we had the iron curtain dividing us. And why should two enemies create a good historical picture of each other? The natural thing is to believe your own sources and your own history books, so history as a discussion topic is a great conflict starter. I personally believe that an opened mind is needed when approaching history, I can clearly see that you guys have an opened mind. __________________

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