Wuhan virus 2020

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That ^ is a very stupid saying.
This multi-organic desease strikes the whole system. The suffering of 15-20% of infected patients, is immense. This virus commands respect. Not stupid denial or ridicule.

You don't get to tell people what they have to respect or what they can ridicule.

[Dowly]

Common sense, however, does.

[Jimbuna]

A further 39 people who tested positive for Covid-19 have died in hospitals across England, NHS England has said.

Patients were aged between 45 and 99 years old. All patients had known underlying health conditions.

It brings the total number of deaths in hospitals in England to 28,871.

A further five people have died with the coronavirus in Wales, with a further 34 people testing positive for the virus, Public Health Wales said.

In Scotland, there were no recorded Covid-19 related deaths with 11 more confirmed cases, the Scottish government said.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That ^ is a very stupid saying.
This multi-organic desease strikes the whole system. The suffering of 15-20% of infected patients, is immense. This virus commands respect. Not stupid denial or ridicule.

The definition of fear is respect ... like in fear God

[Jimbuna]

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Common sense, however, does.

Says you. I've seen that label attached to all kinds of ridiculous things.

[Dowly]

Karma, if you're listening...

[skidman]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

The definition of fear is respect ... like in fear God

Erm... ...no.

Respect is a good feeling of approval of somebody/something because of their good qualities or achievements whereas fear is the bad feeling that you have when you realize you have not prayed hard enough and to make your life better you will have to start burning witches again.

See: Religion is a means of social control and it works by putting fear into fellow believers.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

The definition of fear is respect ... like in fear God

That's messed up. Fear is fear and respect is respect. The two are not synonymous.


Fear may be able to temporarily give the appearance of respect.

[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

That's messed up. Fear is fear and respect is respect. The two are not synonymous.


Fear may be able to temporarily give the appearance of respect.

Temporarily as in long enough to clear a street of rioters?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

The definition of fear is respect ... like in fear God

Oh my.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Fear may be able to temporarily give the appearance of respect.

Na, that is obedience. Like obeying the thug who holds a pistol at my mother's head while I open the safe.

[Skybird]

I found this following text about he nomenclatura and norms for respiratory masks. Since there is a lot of confusion and uncertainty about Chinese-made masks ands the Chinese habit to forge products and to forge European norm seals (CE-label for exmaple), it maybe is useful to know about this. Its not that every Chinese mask ,missing Western quality seals, must be necessarily bad. They simply do not test them all currewntly, there is to much flooding in. Its not as if Chinese hospitals do not know about the need for quality assurance as well. FFP- and KN/N masks from Western production are practically impossible to get currently, almost every KN or N or FFP mask on offer to private consumers is made in China, and what there is in Western production of FFP2/3 standard, goes into the professional health care system. The cloth masks being recommended now by authorities, are are worst option there is, the waste option that is left after the need of healöth care has been adressed. I sometimes think they want people to get infected at a controlled rate.



Just take care that you do not buy masks with exhaling valves. Obviously if you are carrying the infection, these work counterproductive.

Originally Posted by https://www.apotheke-adhoc.de/nachrichten/detail/coronavirus/masken-kn95-oder-ffp2-filterklassen/

Berlin - Respiratory protection and mouth protection are available in different designs and filter classes. Depending on the classification, the products block particles of different sizes. After the FFP2 and FFP3 masks were initially in high demand, the KN95 mask is now coming to the fore. The different designation is related to the different standards worldwide.

In Germany, particle-filtering respirators are classified into three groups. It is important that these masks only protect against solids - special full masks with a filter unit are required to protect against gases and vapors. FFP stands for "Filtering Face Piece". Their use is required by law at workplaces where the limit values ​​of individual substances are exceeded. When working in the recipe, for example, an FFP3 mask is required depending on the active ingredient. The active ingredients that require the wearing of a face mask include, for example, cortisones and hormones. In connection with the corona pandemic, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) recommends at least mask of filter class 2 for protection against viruses.

FFP1: Non-toxic dusts, smoke particles
FFP2: Non-toxic dusts, smoke particles, carcinogenic substances
FFP3: Non-toxic dusts, smoke particles, carcinogenic substances, viruses, bacteria, fungal spores, radioactive substances

KN95 and N95 - China

The Chinese standards GB 2626-2006 “Respiratory protective equipment. Non-powered air-purifying particle respirator ”and GB 19083-2010“ Technical requirements for protective face mask for medical use ”were published by the Standardization Administration of the People's Republic of China (SAC). The GB 2626-2006 standard has a transition period until June, when GB 2626-2019 applies. A GB is a national standard that must be adhered to when manufacturing products. There are four types of mask in China: KN95, KN100 and KP95 as well as KP100. The mask of the type KN95 currently frequently ordered from China essentially meets the requirements of the American N95 masks.

Essential product information

Name and identification of the manufacturer
Model and size
Masks that were manufactured in accordance with standard GB 2626-2006 must be visibly marked on the mask or on the packaging with the associated standard designation (GB 2626-2006 KN95)
on the packaging: product license number, production date or production lot number, shelf life (at least 12 months) and recommended storage conditions.



The General Secretariat for Industry and Small and Medium-Sized Enterprises in China issued alternative specifications for PPE masks (PPE = Personal Protective Equipment) with European CE marking at the end of March. "In principle, the GB2626 standard is applied by the manufacturer in a self-certification process under its own responsibility, and market surveillance is carried out by the manufacturer." The General Secretariat's resolution continues: "Due to the coronavirus crisis, the Chinese government ordered that all masks be put on." three aspects are checked: penetration, breathing resistance and labeling. As a result, all masks in the Chinese market should have test reports with these three results, created by the national quality control and testing center for personal protective equipment. Every province has at least one such laboratory that is accredited. ”There are currently 45 of these accredited test centers.
N95 - America

The mask type designation N95 originally comes from the USA. Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Japan also use the name and manufacture masks to the required standard. The corresponding standard 42 CFR Part 84 was published by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH). To compare the masks with German filter classes, it can be said that N95 masks essentially meet the requirements for FFP2 masks.

Marking of American masks

TC exam number
LOT number (only recommended)
Model number
Company name of the marketing authorization holder
Filter class
Abbreviation NIOSH (National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health)

[Skybird]

The WHO has stopped all clinical trials with anti-HIV drugs Lopinavir and Ritonavir. Reason is not safety concerns, but that the trials so far have shown no effectiveness whatever against the Covid-19 virus.

[Jimbuna]

The Australian state of Victoria warns that an outbreak in Melbourne has "genuinely explosive potential"
Some 3,000 residents of densely populated tower blocks in the city have been placed under lockdown.

Pub-goers in England have enjoyed their first night out in three months after some restrictions were lifted.
A police federation official says it is "crystal clear" drunk people cannot socially distance.

US President Donald Trump touts the country's "progress" against Covid-19 despite a spike in cases.

Mexico records more than 30,000 deaths as the disease ravages one of Latin America's worst-hit countries.

More than 11.2 million cases of Covid-19 have been recorded worldwide with nearly 531,000 deaths.