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Old 09-08-2020, 10:23 PM   #181
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I agree with Onkel Neal’s review of “Greyhound” as a piece of very entertaining fiction. It was a very good movie. However, I would like to point out some inaccuracies/inconsistencies that mildly disturbed me while watching.
1). Fletcher class destroyers did serve in the Atlantic albeit in very small numbers. But very few did convoy duty. They basically served as fleet/heavy warship escorts. The probable ship referenced in C. S. Forester’s excellent book would be a smaller DD, such as a Bagley or Gleaves class ship.
2). The “Greyhound” (as depicted) was armed with quad mount 40 mm Oerlikon aa guns athwart the after funnel. These mounts were added specifically to combat the kamikaze threat in the Pacific and did not appear until the late summer or early fall of 1944. However, the time frame for the book and the movie appears to be late 1942 to early 1943 (obvious winter weather). By late 1943 there were far more escorts, including D. E.s and escort carriers, and the u-boat menace was waning. Many historians state that the u-boat war had been won by late’43 (I’m not sure I agree, but it was far more dangerous to be a u-boat sailor by then). This is an anachronism and since the ship is a CGI construct really should have been caught and corrected.
3). Early in the film Krause orders a speed of 30 knots, which is very unlikely given the sea state depicted. The ship’s screws would have spent 20 to 30% of their time out of the water. This is almost excusable but then when he wants to begin the sonar search, he orders a speed of 22 knots. Even if the sea state had been calm, this would have been way too fast to get reliable return echoes on the sonar sets of the time. The best probable speed would be about 12 knots.
These glitches did not invalidate a very good film but it does mean the “details” weren’t quite there. I noticed some other questionable items, such as the German torpedo grazing the side (bilge keel?) of the ship without exploding. But I’m not an expert on the “touchiness” of German torpedo exploders.
My opinion is that the flaws of this film should have been caught by a competent technical/historical adviser. But the film is no less entertaining because of them. In actuality, I feel there were far fewer technical/historical issues than most other “great” Hollywood war films I have seen and as an amateur historian, I’ve seen most of them.
By the way, Forester spent quite a bit of time on U. S. and U. K. ships (merchant and warships) during the war doing research for his writing. His writing has always been very highly critically acclaimed and was especially popular right after the war. “The Good Shepherd” was serialized in “Life” magazine in the early ‘50s I think, but I’m not sure exactly when.
Thanks very much for the review.
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Old 09-08-2020, 10:57 PM   #182
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Old 09-09-2020, 09:58 AM   #183
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Welcome to SubSim bobdoane

Great first post
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Old 09-09-2020, 03:14 PM   #184
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Thanks. I've been a reader for years, but this is the first time I felt I had something I could contribute. I really enjoy this site and visit daily. Keep up the great work.


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Old 09-09-2020, 03:57 PM   #185
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I must say I was..can't find the word...when I read bobdoane analyse of the movie versus reality.

As I have mentioned earlier in this thread...people want action not historical correctness.. and this is what Hollywood give.

Those of you who has knowledge in ASW and ASUW around WWII have to disengage it and just enjoy the action in the movie

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Old 09-10-2020, 02:05 AM   #186
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A naval war movie Best one to watch
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Old 09-10-2020, 02:21 AM   #187
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imho I give it 6.5/10

It was a nice show but it wasn't too realistic. If u have opportunity to watch it for sure give it a chance.
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Old 09-12-2020, 06:27 AM   #190
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Re-read 'The Good Shepherd' by Forester before re-watching. I went in with low expectations based on the trailer and was pleasantly surprised. It very faithfully re-creates the book and is far from "Hollywood" - I will forgive the grumpy nitpickers who hang on to a few inaccuracies but I enjoyed it. Thoroughly.
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Old 09-13-2020, 06:40 AM   #191
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I gave up watching this movie simply because of Apple's bubble of slavery. I'm not interested in signing up for yet another internet tv, especially one so restrictive as Apple. Gave up my old iphones, itunes long ago and don't regret and my old last apple hardware, an old macbook pro 2010 now runs only on bootcamp windows. Not that I like windows, but it's at least not a concentration camp as apple stuff.
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Intreasting, someone should start a comprehensive SUB movie & Documentary?) thread here with legal links to said movie or documentary,
(like the SS music thread in GT) that would be cool.
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Old 09-15-2020, 08:54 AM   #193
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Early in the film Krause orders a speed of 30 knots, which is very unlikely given the sea state depicted. The ship’s screws would have spent 20 to 30% of their time out of the water. This is almost excusable but then when he wants to begin the sonar search, he orders a speed of 22 knots. Even if the sea state had been calm, this would have been way too fast to get reliable return echoes on the sonar sets of the time. The best probable speed would be about 12 knots.

Yeah, I caught that too. I was puzzled, because in the book it does list 12 knots as the fastest active sonar speed. Wonder why they changed that for the movie...?
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Old 09-16-2020, 11:47 AM   #194
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My first impressions of the 'Greyhound' trailer is a little too much CGI. I'm probably going to have to wait for the DVD or one of the movie channels to see it.

New movie ideas:
One of the David Poyer novels
The Bedford Incident with a serious haircut.
One of the 'Destroyermen' series by Taylor Anderson.
Run Silent, Run Deep that tracks the book better. The movie was a Gable-Lancaster vehicle.
One of P. T. Deutermann novels.
A well written movie about O'Kane or Morton

The 'Untouchables':
Das Boot
The enemy below
Destination Tokyo

Just a thought
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The Bedford Incident with Richard Widmark and Sidney Poitier was released in 1965. It was one of the first war movie/cold war movie I saw

Or you already knew it has been filmed ?

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