US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Jimbuna]

That is actually quite worrying if true

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

That is actually quite worrying if true

Just read about it in a Finnish (tabloid) paper which cited this Guardian article among French (Masks bound to France bought by US):
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nt-masks-tests

Classy as usual.

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

In one case, an order of 200,000 masks for Germany made by U.S.-listed multinational 3M Co in China were “confiscated” in Bangkok, Berlin Secretary of Interior Andreas Geisel, said in a statement, calling it an “act of modern piracy.”

Not nice. I hope the EU is doing better.

The other side of that coin:

While hospitals, medical facilities, medical personnel, emergency workers, first responders are in dire need of PPEs, personal protection equipment, 3M is selling the desperately-needed equipment to foreign nations. Why? Because foreign nations pay them cash. We are updating this. The President invoked the Defense Production Act against 3M to keep them from selling masks and PPE to cash-paying foreign governments.

https://www.independentsentinel.com/...ing-americans/


I guess it's the evil Europeans who are actually throwing the cash around so get mad at yourselves. And why is this even a problem for you? We're told that nationalized health care is superior to ours. Seems to me you folks are no better off at all.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

And why is this even a problem for you? We're told that nationalized health care is superior to ours. Seems to me you folks are no better off at all.

National healtcare doesn't necessary account for such spikes in need of various equipment as is now happening. But I guess you already understood that, at least I hope so.

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

National healtcare doesn't necessary account for such spikes in need of various equipment as is now happening. But I guess you already understood that, at least I hope so.

Apparently it doesn't account for spikes, but why not? Taking the profit aspect out of health care should have given them plenty of funds to keep stockpiles of common equipment like masks. I keep hearing about the superiority of government run health care but judging by the death rates it certainly seems that is not the case here.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

Apparently it doesn't account for spikes, but why not?

Because these things are unexpected and equipment doesn't last forever.

I keep hearing about the superiority of government run health care but judging by the death rates it certainly seems that is not the case here.

Which death rates? Deaths per 1M people; USA: 21, Finland: 4. Shall we talk about child mortality rates next? Life expectancy? Access to pre-emptive healthcare?

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Which death rates? Deaths per 1M people; USA: 21, Finland: 4. Shall we talk about child mortality rates next? Life expectancy? Access to pre-emptive healthcare?

Where did you get that number?


From the CDC website:

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

Where did you get that number?


From the CDC website:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Your map (as it says) shows new daily deaths, not the total. You can also see that the US is marked redder than Finland in that very map.

[Skybird]

I suggest we act with reciprocity. Dräger should not deliver any ventilators to the US anymore. "Germany first." The Americnas had placed an order almost as big as the German one two weeks ago (10 thousand units).



After Canada, France and Germany, Brazil yesterday joined the chorus of accusing the Americans to pirate masks headingfor Brazil.


Should not be forgotten. And not forgiven.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Your map (as it says) shows new daily deaths, not the total. You can also see that the US is marked redder than Finland in that very map.

Well that is very laudable but it's certainly not matched by most of your more centralized and traveled European brethren. Italy, Spain, the UK, Belgium, France and a bunch of other NHS countries all have a higher per million death rate than we do.

[ET2SN]

Um, who ever updates the front page might want to Google "Modly".

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

From what I read in a NYTimes article. According to the majority of the justices they did not think Federal Judges were entitled to change a states voting procedure just days before a scheduled election. In other words they neither granted nor denied anything, the voting laws of Wisconsin remain the same.

“Extending the date by which ballots may be cast by voters — not just received by the municipal clerks but cast by voters — for an additional six days after the scheduled Election Day fundamentally alters the nature of the election,” the opinion said.

[Jimbuna]

Senator Bernie Sanders has suspended his campaign to become US president.

The development clears the way for former vice-president Joe Biden to become the Democratic party's nominee.

Mr Sanders, 78, told his campaign staff about his decision on a conference call on Wednesday. He is expected to address his supporters online shortly.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52219756

[August]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

From what I read in a NYTimes article. According to the majority of the justices they did not think Federal Judges were entitled to change a states voting procedure just days before a scheduled election. In other words they neither granted nor denied anything, the voting laws of Wisconsin remain the same.

But then it wouldn't be Trumps fault! No need to inject facts into a good party slogan.