[WIP] Ship Silhouettes - Modder's Resource - Page 5

Jeff-Groves · 06-13-20, 10:01 AM

Node 334 - NCV_Shinano_Deck
Go to linked 3d model above the viewer and move the bottom texture up.

Again. Another whacked Unit
Notice the Unifiedrendercontroler is not parented to anything!

Jeff-Groves · 06-13-20, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielCoffey

The following objects do not seem to have any UV mapping...

NCV_Shinano_boat01 to 06, _dir01 to 08, _dirBig01 to 02, _funnel, _struct01 to 02, _cablu01 to 02, _catarg

NCV_Shinano_rad01 to 06 are all at 0, 0, 0 in the middle of the model and therefore invisible.

Without these the model is useless and no silhouette can be created.

In the early days of SH3 modding, things could not be removed from a file as easily as todays tools allow.
Many Early Modder built Units had shrunken objects imported and moved to hide them.
I suspect this Unit is based on one of those.

DanielCoffey · 06-13-20, 10:09 AM

Your suggestion to move that deck texture allowed it to display in s3d. I will compare what I see in Blender with what is in the Museum. If your idea about the history of the model is correct they should match.

DanielCoffey · 06-13-20, 10:17 AM

You were completely correct, thanks. The Museum Model matches what is in S3D and Blender. If you move the camera inside the Shinano you can even see the parts that were moved into the center.

Jeff-Groves · 06-13-20, 11:46 AM

I'm pretty good at spotting issues.

Over 10 years messing with the files will do that to ya.

s7rikeback · 06-13-20, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Node 334 - NCV_Shinano_Deck
Go to linked 3d model above the viewer and move the bottom texture up.

Again. Another whacked Unit
Notice the Unifiedrendercontroler is not parented to anything!

This is now fixed and will be included in the next update...

DanielCoffey · 06-13-20, 02:30 PM

Great.

I have done 18 of the CVs and CVEs. There are just 7 CVE and CVS carriers left then they will be released.

DanielCoffey · 06-14-20, 06:56 AM

I have found another vessel that uses the same nearly-black hull as the W-19 Minesweeper...

NCVS_Yoshino

It has the same black texture stretched over the hull in exactly the same way that the W-19 did. I suspect it is based on the same model. I will make a 100% black silhouette as a workaround until we can tear it down and find the issue.

EDIT : Does this image help diagnose the issue? It appears to have a shadow of the hull superimposed across the texture.

Jeff-Groves · 06-14-20, 07:58 AM

On your w-19 files, I had to flip the faces to get it to show as normal.
Try it on this one also.

DanielCoffey · 06-14-20, 08:00 AM

Hmm... I already have. I am setting Flip Coordinate and Reverse Face Winding before exporting as OBJ to Blender.

Do you think I am looking at the model "inside out"?

Jeff-Groves · 06-14-20, 08:07 AM

I exported the one above
with no checks in S3D
On import to max I flip normals.
I still have to flip them again after import.

Both ships are from the same modder

DanielCoffey · 06-14-20, 08:13 AM

Actually you may be able to help me here with the left-hand / right/hand coordinate system too...

If I export from S3D with neither box checked as OBJ then when I Import the object into Blender the x-axis is mirrored. You can see it most clearly on the carriers since they are not symmetrical. Port and Starboard are mirrored.

If I do check both boxes then the vessel is the correct symmetry and the X Y Z values are in the same order as S3D but the Y axis is negative. For example S3D has +X Starboard, +Y up, +Z forward but in Blender it is +X Starboard, negY up and +Z forward. It has been driving me mad!

What transforms do you have to do in order to get the X, Y and Z in the same order as S3D and also in the same direction?

Jeff-Groves · 06-14-20, 08:53 AM

I use Max which is +Z is up.
I set the import option to rotate the SH models to +Z up.
I don't use Blender so don't know it's XYZ

DanielCoffey · 06-14-20, 08:57 AM

You were correct about flipping the face son those two dark models (or NOT flipping them if they were flipped already). Both W-19 and NCVS_Yoshino now display correctly.

Misc Pack 05 has been updated with a new Silhouette for W-19.

DanielCoffey · 06-14-20, 09:09 AM

DOWNLOAD Carriers Pack 06 : http://www.dcoffey.co.uk/images/sile...sCarriers06.7z
File Size : 1.3Mb
Version : 2.0
Release Date : 26/06/2020

Included vessels : NCV_Akagi, NCV_Enterprise, NCV_Hiryu, NCV_Hiyo, NCV_Illustrious, NCV_Kaga, NCV_Saratoga, NCV_Shinano, NCV_Shokaku, NCV_Soryu, NCV_Taiho, NCV_Unryu, NCV_USEarlyWar, NCV_USSEssexCV9, NCVE_Akitsu, NCVE_Attacker, NCVE_Bogue, NCVE_Casablanca, NCVE_Kaiyo, NCVE_Ryuho, NCVE_Shoho, NCVE_Taiyo, NCVS_Chitose, NCVS_Nishin, NCVS_Yoshino

06-13-20, 10:01 AM	#61
Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,319 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	Node 334 - NCV_Shinano_Deck Go to linked 3d model above the viewer and move the bottom texture up. Again. Another whacked Unit Notice the Unifiedrendercontroler is not parented to anything! __________________ I don't do Stupid. So don't ask.

06-13-20, 10:09 AM	#63
DanielCoffey Planesman Join Date: May 2020 Location: South Ayrshire, UK Posts: 199 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Your suggestion to move that deck texture allowed it to display in s3d. I will compare what I see in Blender with what is in the Museum. If your idea about the history of the model is correct they should match. __________________ Caselabs S8 : Intel i7-7700K 4.5GHz / 32Gb DDR4 3000 / Asus 1080 Ti / Samsung 960PRO 1Tb / Dell U2715H 27" 2560x1440 / Corsair AX1200i / APC SMT1500I / Windows 10 PRO

06-13-20, 10:17 AM	#64
DanielCoffey Planesman Join Date: May 2020 Location: South Ayrshire, UK Posts: 199 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	You were completely correct, thanks. The Museum Model matches what is in S3D and Blender. If you move the camera inside the Shinano you can even see the parts that were moved into the center. __________________ Caselabs S8 : Intel i7-7700K 4.5GHz / 32Gb DDR4 3000 / Asus 1080 Ti / Samsung 960PRO 1Tb / Dell U2715H 27" 2560x1440 / Corsair AX1200i / APC SMT1500I / Windows 10 PRO

06-13-20, 11:46 AM	#65
Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,319 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	I'm pretty good at spotting issues. Over 10 years messing with the files will do that to ya. __________________ I don't do Stupid. So don't ask.

06-13-20, 02:30 PM	#67
DanielCoffey Planesman Join Date: May 2020 Location: South Ayrshire, UK Posts: 199 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Great. I have done 18 of the CVs and CVEs. There are just 7 CVE and CVS carriers left then they will be released. __________________ Caselabs S8 : Intel i7-7700K 4.5GHz / 32Gb DDR4 3000 / Asus 1080 Ti / Samsung 960PRO 1Tb / Dell U2715H 27" 2560x1440 / Corsair AX1200i / APC SMT1500I / Windows 10 PRO

06-14-20, 06:56 AM	#68
DanielCoffey Planesman Join Date: May 2020 Location: South Ayrshire, UK Posts: 199 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I have found another vessel that uses the same nearly-black hull as the W-19 Minesweeper... NCVS_Yoshino It has the same black texture stretched over the hull in exactly the same way that the W-19 did. I suspect it is based on the same model. I will make a 100% black silhouette as a workaround until we can tear it down and find the issue. EDIT : Does this image help diagnose the issue? It appears to have a shadow of the hull superimposed across the texture. __________________ Caselabs S8 : Intel i7-7700K 4.5GHz / 32Gb DDR4 3000 / Asus 1080 Ti / Samsung 960PRO 1Tb / Dell U2715H 27" 2560x1440 / Corsair AX1200i / APC SMT1500I / Windows 10 PRO Last edited by DanielCoffey; 06-14-20 at 07:10 AM.

06-14-20, 07:58 AM	#69
Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,319 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	On your w-19 files, I had to flip the faces to get it to show as normal. Try it on this one also. __________________ I don't do Stupid. So don't ask.

06-14-20, 08:00 AM	#70
DanielCoffey Planesman Join Date: May 2020 Location: South Ayrshire, UK Posts: 199 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Hmm... I already have. I am setting Flip Coordinate and Reverse Face Winding before exporting as OBJ to Blender. Do you think I am looking at the model "inside out"? __________________ Caselabs S8 : Intel i7-7700K 4.5GHz / 32Gb DDR4 3000 / Asus 1080 Ti / Samsung 960PRO 1Tb / Dell U2715H 27" 2560x1440 / Corsair AX1200i / APC SMT1500I / Windows 10 PRO

06-14-20, 08:07 AM	#71
Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,319 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	I exported the one above with no checks in S3D On import to max I flip normals. I still have to flip them again after import. Both ships are from the same modder __________________ I don't do Stupid. So don't ask.

06-14-20, 08:13 AM	#72
DanielCoffey Planesman Join Date: May 2020 Location: South Ayrshire, UK Posts: 199 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Actually you may be able to help me here with the left-hand / right/hand coordinate system too... If I export from S3D with neither box checked as OBJ then when I Import the object into Blender the x-axis is mirrored. You can see it most clearly on the carriers since they are not symmetrical. Port and Starboard are mirrored. If I do check both boxes then the vessel is the correct symmetry and the X Y Z values are in the same order as S3D but the Y axis is negative. For example S3D has +X Starboard, +Y up, +Z forward but in Blender it is +X Starboard, negY up and +Z forward. It has been driving me mad! What transforms do you have to do in order to get the X, Y and Z in the same order as S3D and also in the same direction? __________________ Caselabs S8 : Intel i7-7700K 4.5GHz / 32Gb DDR4 3000 / Asus 1080 Ti / Samsung 960PRO 1Tb / Dell U2715H 27" 2560x1440 / Corsair AX1200i / APC SMT1500I / Windows 10 PRO

06-14-20, 08:53 AM	#73
Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,319 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	I use Max which is +Z is up. I set the import option to rotate the SH models to +Z up. I don't use Blender so don't know it's XYZ __________________ I don't do Stupid. So don't ask.

06-14-20, 08:57 AM	#74
DanielCoffey Planesman Join Date: May 2020 Location: South Ayrshire, UK Posts: 199 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	You were correct about flipping the face son those two dark models (or NOT flipping them if they were flipped already). Both W-19 and NCVS_Yoshino now display correctly. Misc Pack 05 has been updated with a new Silhouette for W-19. __________________ Caselabs S8 : Intel i7-7700K 4.5GHz / 32Gb DDR4 3000 / Asus 1080 Ti / Samsung 960PRO 1Tb / Dell U2715H 27" 2560x1440 / Corsair AX1200i / APC SMT1500I / Windows 10 PRO

06-14-20, 09:09 AM	#75
DanielCoffey Planesman Join Date: May 2020 Location: South Ayrshire, UK Posts: 199 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	DOWNLOAD Carriers Pack 06 : http://www.dcoffey.co.uk/images/sile...sCarriers06.7z File Size : 1.3Mb Version : 2.0 Release Date : 26/06/2020 Included vessels : NCV_Akagi, NCV_Enterprise, NCV_Hiryu, NCV_Hiyo, NCV_Illustrious, NCV_Kaga, NCV_Saratoga, NCV_Shinano, NCV_Shokaku, NCV_Soryu, NCV_Taiho, NCV_Unryu, NCV_USEarlyWar, NCV_USSEssexCV9, NCVE_Akitsu, NCVE_Attacker, NCVE_Bogue, NCVE_Casablanca, NCVE_Kaiyo, NCVE_Ryuho, NCVE_Shoho, NCVE_Taiyo, NCVS_Chitose, NCVS_Nishin, NCVS_Yoshino __________________ Caselabs S8 : Intel i7-7700K 4.5GHz / 32Gb DDR4 3000 / Asus 1080 Ti / Samsung 960PRO 1Tb / Dell U2715H 27" 2560x1440 / Corsair AX1200i / APC SMT1500I / Windows 10 PRO Last edited by DanielCoffey; 06-26-20 at 01:33 AM.