Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Gorpet

What? The American people better wake up.We don't have bite on a dogs bone over there.That's an EU problem' It's their backyard. Their so great let's see how they can handle it without the Americans for 1 time.

Our membership in NATO kind of makes that attitude problematic don't you think?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by ET2SN

Fortunately, or unfortunately, there is a LOT of political and economic hay to be made.

There are countries more than ready to sell energy (Oil, gas, petroleum, nuke power, etc.) to Europe.

That old imitative for Russia to develop the Artic for global trade sounds (now) like its wasted money.

Often overlooked. Not only gas but also nuclear fuel by Russian state company Rossatom is not being sanctioned, and Europe depends on it, in this case: especially France. This needs not to be, there would be other options to get nuclear fuel from another seller than Russia. Even Germany could be self-supplying!
The oil we buy from India and maybe also a bit from China (dont know the latter), is oil these countries bought from Russia cheaply, and then sell to us with a great profit bonus and in defiance of the sanctions on Russian oil. Turkey and I think it was South Africa also stockpile huge ammounts for later use or sales.

Also, Greek ship owners allow Russian tankers to pump thetr oil onto greek tankers at high sea. Nice play, Greece. Greece loyalty to NATO in case of a war with Russia always has been in doubt for me. Do not forget that both are orthodox Christian, and now look at the big role of orthodox Church in Russian politics. Even the Catholic pope, by economic ideas a real communist, took six month before he stopped calling patriarch Kyrill a sgood Chrostain and at one opporutnity then publicly quesitoned his role in this war - cautiously. The chriuches since two millenia always have massively interferred with politics, for the sake of their own power and profit hunger, and they have agreed to so many wars of aggressiopn and for the sake of supressing others. like Kyrill does today.

No saints such saints are, but diabolic bastards. Sometimes I regret I do not believe in all this fantasy stuff, else I could wish them to burn in hell.

[Shady Bill]

The biggest tactical mistake being made right now is that countries bordering Russia are accepting and sometimes even encouraging Russian men of military age to defect and enter their borders. All under the banner of "humanitarianism". These people are spies and infiltrators.

I would estimate a relatively high percentage of these men and women are Russian internals (30%+). People sent to these countries on purpose to destabilize. I hope nations that take in these Russian men, that seem to not have the nerve to serve in their nation's military, and keep them isolated from the general populace by any means possible (military encampments is most likely the only realistic option).

It is incorrect to think taking on these men will somehow deplete Putin of soldiers. Weak recruits who don't have the will or the courage to fight for their country, will deplete its military internally like a cancer.


Putin is a man who has calendars published and distributed to his people, where every different month it is him shirtless, catching a different fish (true story). He operates on a primal level.

The only way for the world to deal with this man is swift, brutalizing, overwhelming force. If we invaded Russia today, I am not so sure his military would even fight for him.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The former head of Ukrainian gas company Naftogaz, Andrij Koboljew, says that the explosives that blew up the pipelines in the Baltic got already mounted on the pipelines when it was build.

FOCUS writes:
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Andrij Koboljew told the " Süddeutsche Zeitung " that there can be no doubt about Russia's culpability. "Gas deliveries are not a business for Russia. They are a weapon, and Russia has always been ready to use this weapon to blackmail Europe. Especially the Germans never wanted to admit that to themselves," he told the newspaper.
Ukrainian energy expert: Only Russia can be behind pipeline sabotage

The energy manager also explains why, in his view, only Russia can be behind the act. "These pipelines in the Baltic Sea are super monitored. There are many sensors embedded in the pipes that make it possible to monitor the flow of gas. [...] When the pipeline was completed by the production ship Akademik Chersky, Russian military vessels approached and reloaded equipment. This is on record. It is also known that these military vessels were commissioned by the Russian Navy to carry out sabotage operations on the high seas."

Because Nato also has a strong presence in the area, it is almost impossible that the bombs were planted by divers or submarines, Kobolyev says. He says: "They [the Russians, ed.] have already planted the explosives during the construction of the pipeline. This method is not a Russian invention, but a legacy of the Soviet Union. In the last construction phase of Nord Stream 2, all foreign companies and their ships were already sanctioned. So the pipeline was completed by Russian ships alone. These production ships were escorted by Russian warships. And the pipeline was completed exactly at the point where the explosion now occurred."
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[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Shady Bill

The biggest tactical mistake being made right now is that countries bordering Russia are accepting and sometimes even encouraging Russian men of military age to defect and enter their borders. All under the banner of "humanitarianism". These people are spies and infiltrators.

I would estimate a relatively high percentage of these men and women are Russian internals (30%+). People sent to these countries on purpose to destabilize. I hope nations that take in these Russian men, that seem to not have the nerve to serve in their nation's military, and keep them isolated from the general populace by any means possible (military encampments is most likely the only realistic option).

It is incorrect to think taking on these men will somehow deplete Putin of soldiers. Weak recruits who don't have the will or the courage to fight for their country, will deplete its military internally like a cancer.


Putin is a man who has calendars published and distributed to his people, where every different month it is him shirtless, catching a different fish (true story). He operates on a primal level.

The only way for the world to deal with this man is swift, brutalizing, overwhelming force.

^

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...postcount=6982

[ET2SN]

Originally Posted by Shady Bill

If we invaded Russia today, I am not so sure his military would even fight for him.

Right, and then what would happen?

Keep in mind that NATO powers try to pay their own way (militarily). Look at what happened in Afghanistan and Iraq. We paid a lot for turf we gave back. We paid a lot to set up a different kind of government that failed.

I think Russia is on the hook this time. If they want to be more like Europe, they should try acting more like Europe.

[kpv1974]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

The U.S is hardly worried. The Ukrainians aided by Western weapons are doing just fine. Meanwhile, your own countrymen from Russia wet their pants and run like the cowards they are from a fight with real men. Other Russians simply surrendered. Meanwhile, in Russia, Your men are running for the border of whatever host country will take them to avoid the mobilization orders in Russia. I can only assume Russian forces know only how to kill innocent women and children and torture them, meaning, the general civilian population. The Russian army acts more like a street gang than a disciplined professional fighting force. It's the Russian forces that should be afraid.

I truly don't mean to be rude but if you expect a sympathetic ear or a shoulder to cry on, on behalf of Soviet Russia, you came to the wrong place. And yes, the term Soviet Russia wasn't a typo. The only ones I feel bad for, aside from the Ukraine is the decent Russians who don't want to kill what they consider to be a neighbor, friend and family, meaning the Ukraine. Russians are despised the world over and Russian is a terrorist state and a pariah.

The Americans, during their "peacekeeping" campaigns, killed several million innocent civilians in different parts of the globe. However, no one despises them around the world. Why is that ?
You never think that the system of double standards stops working.

Putin thinks in simple logic - since the Americans can, why can't he. Moreover, in his arsenal, there are also nuclear weapons.
He considers himself an equal player.

[kpv1974]

Originally Posted by Skybird

FOCUS writes:
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Andrij Koboljew told the " Süddeutsche Zeitung " that there can be no doubt about Russia's culpability. "Gas deliveries are not a business for Russia. They are a weapon, and Russia has always been ready to use this weapon to blackmail Europe. Especially the Germans never wanted to admit that to themselves," he told the newspaper.
Ukrainian energy expert: Only Russia can be behind pipeline sabotage

The energy manager also explains why, in his view, only Russia can be behind the act. "These pipelines in the Baltic Sea are super monitored. There are many sensors embedded in the pipes that make it possible to monitor the flow of gas. [...] When the pipeline was completed by the production ship Akademik Chersky, Russian military vessels approached and reloaded equipment. This is on record. It is also known that these military vessels were commissioned by the Russian Navy to carry out sabotage operations on the high seas."

Because Nato also has a strong presence in the area, it is almost impossible that the bombs were planted by divers or submarines, Kobolyev says. He says: "They [the Russians, ed.] have already planted the explosives during the construction of the pipeline. This method is not a Russian invention, but a legacy of the Soviet Union. In the last construction phase of Nord Stream 2, all foreign companies and their ships were already sanctioned. So the pipeline was completed by Russian ships alone. These production ships were escorted by Russian warships. And the pipeline was completed exactly at the point where the explosion now occurred."
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In my opinion, it would be easier for the Russians to simply "close the valve" on this pipe than to blow it up. Don't you think that this is a more logical version?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by kpv1974

Putin thinks in simple logic - since the Americans can, why can't he.

The Americans lost in Vietnam in the years 1965 to 1975 some 58 thousand own soldiers. That is slightly less than the Russians have lost in the ukriane after just 7 months. Also, the Americans gained their military mission objectives and won every major ground engagement - they lost the war politically, not militarily. Russia in the ukraine fails to gain its objectives, and gets defeated by routine now in ground engagements. Its loosing. Poltically AND militarily.

Thats why Putin can't.

Moreover, in his arsenal, there are also nuclear weapons.

Maybe someone should call the Kremlin and remind them that so are in the Americans', Britons' and French's.

He considers himself an equal player.

What he considers himself to be, and what the others accept to take him as, are two different things.

To me, he has degenerated into the equivalent of a murderously dangerous patient. He should actually be wearing a straitjacket and sitting in a padded cell.

[ET2SN]

Originally Posted by kpv1974

In my opinion, it would be easier for the Russians to simply "close the valve" on this pipe than to blow it up. Don't you think that this is a more logical version?

Not dramatic enough.

Putin wants to send a message, "Do it my way or things start to explode". He also has a new Special Operations sub based on the Oscar II platform to play with.

[kpv1974]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The Americans lost in Vietnam in the years 1965 to 1975 some 58 thousand own soldiers. That is slightly less than the Russians have lost in the ukriane after just 7 months. Also, the Americans gained their military mission objectives and won every major ground engagement - they lost the war politically, not militarily. Russia in the ukraine fails to gain its objectives, and gets defeated by routine now in ground engagements. Its loosing. Poltically AND militarily.

Thats why Putin can't.

Maybe someone should call the Kremlin and remind them that so are in the Americans', Britons' and French's.
What he considers himself to be, and what the others accept to take him as, are two different things.

To me, he has degenerated into the equivalent of a murderously dangerous patient. He should actually be wearing a straitjacket and sitting in a padded cell.

Yes, I agree with you here.
The place of the insane in a psychiatric clinic.

[kpv1974]

Originally Posted by ET2SN

Not dramatic enough.

Putin wants to send a message, "Do it my way or things start to explode". He also has a new Special Operations sub based on the Oscar II platform to play with.

That's what I was talking about - he always flaunts that he has a lot of "Red Buttons". And when he realizes that he has lost, he will give the order to press these buttons without hesitation. Will those people who will confirm this key to launch missiles be reasonable?

[kpv1974]

To: Skybird.
>>"The Americans lost in Vietnam in the years 1965 to 1975 some 58 thousand own soldiers. That is slightly less than the Russians have lost in the ukriane after just 7 months. Also, the Americans gained their military mission objectives and won every major ground engagement - they lost the war politically, not militarily. Russia in the ukraine fails to gain its objectives, and gets defeated by routine now in ground engagements. Its loosing. Poltically AND militarily."

BTW, I disagree with you here.
Any war is the achievement of political goals.
And if the political goals ones were not achieved, then all the sacrifices of their own soldiers were in vain.

[les green01]

Originally Posted by kpv1974

The Americans, during their "peacekeeping" campaigns, killed several million innocent civilians in different parts of the globe. However, no one despises them around the world. Why is that ?
You never think that the system of double standards stops working.

Putin thinks in simple logic - since the Americans can, why can't he. Moreover, in his arsenal, there are also nuclear weapons.
He considers himself an equal player.

how did the french do in indochina,how they do in canada,how did they do in mexico seems like anymore they tuck their tails between their legs,how many did (north)Vietnamese executed,you look close at Putin you are going see a lot of Hitler

[kpv1974]

we see. and you see. But we don't know what to do with it.
You see, he is a dictator. And all the laws he made for himself.

Everything that is said against him - entails criminal punishment.

PS: in 1933, the people of Germany did not understand where they were drawn into.
There were talks about the shameful Brest Peace, when Germany admitted its defeat and this was a humiliation of the German nation.

Hitler said, I will force the German nation to be respected.
Putin went the same way.