Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Skybird]

Nordstream 1 and 2 taken out.

Russia threatening to cancel deliveries of gas via Ukraine.

EU threatening to cap oil and gas prices now.

Russia havign said weeks ago already that ever ynation obeying a porice cpa will not get any deliveries of anything at all.

Like a puzzle solving. All the pieces fall into their according places.

Media in Germany today report that the heating has begun in Germany in recent days. And that in the last week the average gas consummation is higher than the average for this time of year last year.

[Skybird]

Some military analysts point at a small but realistic chance that this could lead to a cascade effect for the Russian front in the Donbass, letting it all collapse: Focus writes:
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In the eastern Ukrainian region of Donetsk, Russian troops are apparently threatened with encirclement by the Ukrainian army. Russian war reporters on Wednesday reported successful Ukrainian advances northeast and east of the small town of Lyman. Russian occupiers have been in the town since late May.

For several days already, the last communication routes from the town of 20,000 inhabitants to the Russian-controlled region have been within the reach of Ukrainian troops and their artillery. Most recently, the Ukrainians recaptured several villages and settlements outside the city.
Ukrainian soldiers fire a mortar in the recently recaptured town of Kupyansk in the Kharkiv region.

If the settlement of Torske is recaptured, the Russians threaten to cut off the roads connecting Lyman to Kreminna and Svatov in the Luhansk region. The roads are already under fire from Ukrainian artillery. Also near the city of Kupyansk in Kharkiv Oblast, at least one more town on the east side of the Oskil River, Kivshivka, has been retaken, according to Ukrainian sources. Ukrainian forces have already crossed the river in several places.
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[kpv1974]

Ukraine, in fact, lost 4 of its regions, which came under the jurisdiction of Russia. Nothing new for me. After all, in Kosovo - it was possible. Why would this be unacceptable here? The game can be in two gates ... Maybe Putin should show some kind of test tube, like Powell? But I do not think that he would have slipped to such a banality.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by kpv1974

Ukraine, in fact, lost 4 of its regions, which came under the jurisdiction of Russia. Nothing new for me. After all, in Kosovo - it was possible. Why would this be unacceptable here? The game can be in two gates ... Maybe Putin should show some kind of test tube, like Powell? But I do not think that he would have slipped to such a banality.

A sham / bogus referendum by people held at gunpoint means little to the world and even less to Ukrainian forces. The Ukrainian forces are not stopping nor should they. You must think people don't have eyes and can't see. It's a desperation move by Putin to cover his impotence and incompetence.

[mapuc]

To some of my Danish friends who is convince USA is behind this sabotage of these pipelines Nord Stream 1 and 2.

I said

1. Who has the motive to do so ?
2. Who is going to win by this destruction ?

Markus

[kpv1974]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

A sham / bogus referendum by people held at gunpoint means little to the world and even less to Ukrainian forces. The Ukrainian forces are not stopping nor should they. You must think people don't have eyes and can't see. It's a desperation move by Putin to cover his impotence and incompetence.

And in Kosovo - was there a "fake" referendum? Or was everything there as "Uncle serious SAM" from the USA said? By the way - Kosovo is Europe, and it is too far from the US border to be seriously worried about it.

[les green01]

Originally Posted by mapuc

To some of my Danish friends who is convince USA is behind this sabotage of these pipelines Nord Stream 1 and 2.

I said

1. Who has the motive to do so ?
2. Who is going to win by this destruction ?

Markus

that the thing Markus i don't see what the us would gain in doing it too me seem like for whatever reason a lot eu people hates Americans for whatever reason maybe they seen some bad apples from the us but then every country has bad apples or they think it being cool most part Americans are decent people just like any other country

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by kpv1974

And in Kosovo - was there a "fake" referendum? Or was everything there as "Uncle serious SAM" from the USA said? By the way - Kosovo is Europe, and it is too far from the US border to be seriously worried about it.

The U.S is hardly worried. The Ukrainians aided by Western weapons are doing just fine. Meanwhile, your own countrymen from Russia wet their pants and run like the cowards they are from a fight with real men. Other Russians simply surrendered. Meanwhile, in Russia, Your men are running for the border of whatever host country will take them to avoid the mobilization orders in Russia. I can only assume Russian forces know only how to kill innocent women and children and torture them, meaning, the general civilian population. The Russian army acts more like a street gang than a disciplined professional fighting force. It's the Russian forces that should be afraid.

I truly don't mean to be rude but if you expect a sympathetic ear or a shoulder to cry on, on behalf of Soviet Russia, you came to the wrong place. And yes, the term Soviet Russia wasn't a typo. The only ones I feel bad for, aside from the Ukraine is the decent Russians who don't want to kill what they consider to be a neighbor, friend and family, meaning the Ukraine. Russians are despised the world over and Russian is a terrorist state and a pariah.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by les green01

that the thing Markus i don't see what the us would gain in doing it too me seem like for whatever reason a lot eu people hates Americans for whatever reason maybe they seen some bad apples from the us but then every country has bad apples or they think it being cool most part Americans are decent people just like any other country

I like USA if I had the money I would take a cruise ship to New York and then rent an RV and drive USA thick and thin during a time period of 2-3 years.

I know there are good people in every country-Like there are bad apples in every country like you said.

Back to the discussion about these pipelines- I can't see it either what USA would benefit from it- The threat Biden used is what they call threat diplomacy and Both Russia and USA is using this a lot these days.

Markus

[August]

[Reece]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

The U.S is hardly worried. The Ukrainians aided by Western weapons are doing just fine. Meanwhile, your own countrymen from Russia wet their pants and run like the cowards they are from a fight with real men. Other Russians simply surrendered. Meanwhile, in Russia, Your men are running for the border of whatever host country will take them to avoid the mobilization orders in Russia. I can only assume Russian forces know only how to kill innocent women and children and torture them, meaning, the general civilian population. The Russian army acts more like a street gang than a disciplined professional fighting force. It's the Russian forces that should be afraid.

I truly don't mean to be rude but if you expect a sympathetic ear or a shoulder to cry on, on behalf of Soviet Russia, you came to the wrong place. And yes, the term Soviet Russia wasn't a typo. The only ones I feel bad for, aside from the Ukraine is the decent Russians who don't want to kill what they consider to be a neighbor, friend and family, meaning the Ukraine. Russians are despised the world over and Russian is a terrorist state and a pariah.

+1

[Skybird]

Sweden says it deteced a fourth leak, as I understand it in the fourth pipeline that so far was considered to be undamaged. If true, all four Norstream 1+2 pipes are gone.

And I think they will not come back from the dead. Good so.

Now its quiz time. What actor in what role said in what movie something like this: "When Cortez landed in South America, he ordered his men to burn the ships on the beach. As a consequence from that loss his men were very well motivated."?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Sweden says it deteced a fourth leak, as I understand it in the fourth pipeline that so far was considered to be undamaged. If true, all four Norstream 1+2 pipes are gone.

And I think they will not come back from the dead. Good so.

Now its quiz time. What actor in what role said in what movie something like this: "When Cortez landed in South America, he ordered his men to burn the ships on the beach. As a consequence from that loss his men were very well motivated."?

Can't remember the title of this movie I do know that Vangelis wrote the main soundtrack to the movie(If I'm not wrong)

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Russia's Vladimir Putin will hold a signing ceremony on Friday formally annexing four more areas of Ukraine after self-styled referendums condemned by Ukraine and the West as a sham.

Russian-backed officials had earlier claimed the five-day exercise secured almost total popular support.

So-called votes were held in Luhansk and Donetsk in the east, and in Zaporizhzhia and Kherson in the south.

The Russian president will make a major speech at the Kremlin.

A stage has already been set up in Moscow's Red Square, with billboards proclaiming the four regions as part of Russia. There were echoes of Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014, which also followed a discredited referendum and was heralded by a presidential victory speech from a stage.

However, no independent monitoring of the process took place and there were accounts of election officials going from door to door escorted by armed soldiers.

The US has said it will impose sanctions on Russia because of the referendums and EU member states are considering an eighth round of measures.

German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said on Thursday that people in occupied regions of Ukraine had been taken from their homes and workplaces by threat and sometimes at gunpoint. "This is the opposite of free and fair elections. And this is the opposite of peace, it is a dictated peace," she said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63072113

[Jimbuna]