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Old 06-17-17, 12:14 PM   #46
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Saw one of these in our garden the other day

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That's a bee hawk-moth. I only ever saw one of those... in the garden here in Lincolnshire.
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That's a bee hawk-moth. I only ever saw one of those... in the garden here in Lincolnshire.
http://www.massaudubon.org/learn/nat...clearwing-moth
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What can I tell you, August, except that your link is either ignorant or that in the USA these day-flying moths are all known (carelessly, I'd suggest) as Humming-bird Hawk-moths. But as far as I am aware, animal taxonomy is international, which would make your link plain wrong! Anyway, in Britain the Humming-bird Hawk-moth does not have clear wings... these belong to the Narrow-bordered and Broad-bordered Bee Hawk-moths... please look at these reliable links:

http://butterfly-conservation.org/51...hawk-moth.html

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http://butterfly-conservation.org/51...hawk-moth.html

and

http://butterfly-conservation.org/51...hawk-moth.html

Maybe you got hold of some fake news, mate.
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What can I tell you, August, except that your link is either ignorant or that in the USA these day-flying moths are all known (carelessly, I'd suggest) as Humming-bird Hawk-moths.
No "hawk", just "Hummingbird Moths". Related but separate sub species.

From the wiki article on Hummingbird Hawk Moths:

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It should not be confused with the moths called hummingbird moths in North America, genus Hemaris, members of the same family and with similar appearance and behavior
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For anyone who might still be interested, this Wiki-link helps clear it up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummingbird_hawk-moth

Quote: "Moths in the Hemaris genus of the family Sphingidae are known as "hummingbird moths" in the U.S. and "bee moths" in Europe, which sometimes causes confusion between this species and the North American genus."

Wiki clarifies things here, confirming my suspicions, but still mistakenly says these are known as "bee moths" in Europe, when they are, as I said correctly, known over here as "bee hawk-moths".

The following photo is from my 'Bible': "Butterflies & Moths of Britain and Europe" by David Carter (ISBN 0 330 26642 X) since of course I stand by the European taxonomy:



In the text these are described as "Narrow-bordered Bee Hawk-moth", "Broad-bordered Bee Hawk-moth" and (below) the "Humming-bird Hawk-moth"... which I am guessing you do not have in the US.

So when I see what you saw in my garden, it is a bee hawk-moth.
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For anyone who might still be interested, this Wiki-link helps clear it up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummingbird_hawk-moth

Quote: "Moths in the Hemaris genus of the family Sphingidae are known as "hummingbird moths" in the U.S. and "bee moths" in Europe, which sometimes causes confusion between this species and the North American genus."

Wiki clarifies things here, confirming my suspicions, but still mistakenly says these are known as "bee moths" in Europe, when they are, as I said correctly, known over here as "bee hawk-moths".

The following photo is from my 'Bible': "Butterflies & Moths of Britain and Europe" by David Carter (ISBN 0 330 26642 X) since of course I stand by the European taxonomy:



In the text these are described as "Narrow-bordered Bee Hawk-moth", "Broad-bordered Bee Hawk-moth" and (below) the "Humming-bird Hawk-moth"... which I am guessing you do not have in the US.

So when I see what you saw in my garden, it is a bee hawk-moth.

So is there a 4th species that is called the "Hummingbird Hawk Moth" (no bee)?
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It's not a "4th" species... there are a number of other Hawk-moths, but only one Humming-bird Hawk-moth (in Europe).
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It's not a "4th" species... there are a number of other Hawk-moths, but only one Humming-bird Hawk-moth (in Europe).
Well ok then.
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