Kriegsmarine Angriffscheibe Handbuch - Page 5

SteveW1 · 03-04-09, 12:51 AM

Thankyou very much am downloading now and hopefully will be able to learn something new to enhance my gameplay.

Steve

jasonb885 · 03-31-09, 07:44 PM

The most amazing thing ever. Thank you!

reaper7 · 07-03-09, 07:16 AM

Links are down to Handbook. Any chace of a reupload or PM link

Ok found it on another link

http://download845.filefront.com/0iq...Handbuch_3.pdf

Pisces · 07-03-09, 10:02 AM

That one seems to be down too. The attackdisk manual is the 2nd from the top on my filefront page (link in my signature)

klh · 07-04-09, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pisces

That one seems to be down too. The attackdisk manual is the 2nd from the top on my filefront page (link in my signature)

EDIT: It seems to take a while for the site to respond but it should start to offer the download eventually. They do seem to screw up their links though. If there is a slash character behind the file-extension (.pdf/), then remove the slash. It's not like they are overburdend with traffic. Download speed is around 150KB/s.

Thanks Pisces. I haven't bothered putting it anywhere else since Filefront started deleting files.

berobispo · 09-14-09, 11:53 AM

Hi!

Great work! printed out and built my own wiz wheel yesterday

. But I wondered, the manual from joegrundman describes a method of measuring the elapsed time when the target has changed a small number of degrees (while being on a collision course before) to estimate range. His method uses the SCAF, which has smaller divisions available for the sine scale. I have seen this has been discussed before and I saw that the U-jagd mod uses an in game version of the KM wiz wheel but with the SCAF rear side. So, finally: my question is:

-Is the "Passive sonar approach" method from joegrundman feasible with the currrent downloadable version of the KM wiz wheel? I guess I could use six degrees, where the KM wiz wheel starts to count...

ps.: I have nothing against the USN

, but I'm lazy, and already have a wiz wheel I want to stick with!

Pisces · 09-14-09, 12:31 PM

Ok, now I get what you meant (in the thread in the SH4 department). The SCAF disk has another ring on the AOB sine-scale that also shows marks between 5.7 and about .5 degrees, besides the rings of marks between 6 degrees and 90 (and for the other quadrants which are the same marks). Can this used/done with the KM attackdisk? Yes and No! Sort of...

Yes, in the sense that you can sort of 'extend' the AOB scale by aligning the 6000 mark with the 6 degrees mark. And then consider each thousand mark going counter-clockwise as being the corresponding degree. If you go around the wheel and end up back at 7000 it really is 0.7 degrees, because at 1000 equal to 1 degree. Now thankfully, with these small angles it turns out that the sine of 1 degrees is almost exactly 10 times bigger than the sine of 0.1 degrees. (grab an electronic calculator and compare sin(0.01), sin(0.1), sin(1) and sin(10)

) The smaller the angle, the more exact this decimal-shift becomes. On the upper side of the scale, larger angles from something like 20 toward 90 degrees, it doesn't work anymore. It get's increasingly less exact.

However...

Here is the 'No' answer. I do not really know which method or disk sliding procedure Joegrundman performed in his technique, but it probably required the yellowish disk to be kept in a certain relation to the angle disk. This means that you shouldn't align that 6 degrees to the 6000 mark if you don't want to complicate things. If you can keep track of which marks are important and which marks line-up with which marks on another scale, then you could try. But this is definately not for the faint at hart. You thuroughly need to understand how this disk works inside and out. Understand the math behind it.

Edit: I also added a free pointer on that side which helps alot in 'memorizing' some marks of intermediate results.

Red Heat · 09-14-09, 02:47 PM

Very interesting stuff...downloading!

briklebritt · 01-01-10, 11:18 AM

Link to German Attack Disc handbook is broken. can u give an alternative link?

Pisces · 01-01-10, 01:57 PM

You can find it in the link at the bottom of this message. 3rd from the top.

Panser · 01-01-10, 03:33 PM

Thanks Pisces, I was interested in the handbook too!

Pisces · 10-21-11, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pisces

You can find it in the link at the bottom of this message. 3rd from the top.

File/Gamefront took it down. But it is up again:

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20910875/

Tavs · 07-13-16, 10:42 AM

Just and update (to keep threads current with information that is valid) .. this file Angriffsscheibe-Handbuch-3.pdf can be found below here on the download section:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=3405

This is the English version.

Captain Johno · 09-23-20, 10:33 PM

Angriffsscheibe_Handbuch_3 (18.83 MB) available @

Link : https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/dow...o=file&id=3405

. . . if your looking. Thanks!

RipTorn · 01-27-21, 12:00 PM

Fileplanet no longer exists, is there anywhere else I can download the attack disk handbook?

03-04-09, 12:51 AM	#61
SteveW1 Watch Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 331 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	Thankyou very much am downloading now and hopefully will be able to learn something new to enhance my gameplay. Steve __________________

03-31-09, 07:44 PM	#62
jasonb885 Samurai Navy Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 580 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The most amazing thing ever. Thank you! __________________ X1 = Thieves Starforce officially promotes piracy of unprotected game, Galactic Civilizations II! eh? Improved Convoys mod!

07-03-09, 07:16 AM	#63
reaper7 sim2reality Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: AM 82 Posts: 2,280 Downloads: 258 Uploads: 30	Links are down to Handbook. Any chace of a reupload or PM link Ok found it on another link http://download845.filefront.com/0iq...Handbuch_3.pdf Last edited by reaper7; 07-03-09 at 07:17 AM. Reason: Found Link

07-03-09, 10:02 AM	#64
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,892 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	That one seems to be down too. The attackdisk manual is the 2nd from the top on my filefront page (link in my signature) __________________ My site downloads: https://ricojansen.nl/downloads Last edited by Pisces; 07-05-09 at 03:36 AM.

09-14-09, 11:53 AM	#66
berobispo Helmsman Join Date: May 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 102 Downloads: 174 Uploads: 4	Hi! Great work! printed out and built my own wiz wheel yesterday. But I wondered, the manual from joegrundman describes a method of measuring the elapsed time when the target has changed a small number of degrees (while being on a collision course before) to estimate range. His method uses the SCAF, which has smaller divisions available for the sine scale. I have seen this has been discussed before and I saw that the U-jagd mod uses an in game version of the KM wiz wheel but with the SCAF rear side. So, finally: my question is: -Is the "Passive sonar approach" method from joegrundman feasible with the currrent downloadable version of the KM wiz wheel? I guess I could use six degrees, where the KM wiz wheel starts to count... ps.: I have nothing against the USN, but I'm lazy, and already have a wiz wheel I want to stick with!

09-14-09, 12:31 PM	#67
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,892 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	Ok, now I get what you meant (in the thread in the SH4 department). The SCAF disk has another ring on the AOB sine-scale that also shows marks between 5.7 and about .5 degrees, besides the rings of marks between 6 degrees and 90 (and for the other quadrants which are the same marks). Can this used/done with the KM attackdisk? Yes and No! Sort of... Yes, in the sense that you can sort of 'extend' the AOB scale by aligning the 6000 mark with the 6 degrees mark. And then consider each thousand mark going counter-clockwise as being the corresponding degree. If you go around the wheel and end up back at 7000 it really is 0.7 degrees, because at 1000 equal to 1 degree. Now thankfully, with these small angles it turns out that the sine of 1 degrees is almost exactly 10 times bigger than the sine of 0.1 degrees. (grab an electronic calculator and compare sin(0.01), sin(0.1), sin(1) and sin(10) ) The smaller the angle, the more exact this decimal-shift becomes. On the upper side of the scale, larger angles from something like 20 toward 90 degrees, it doesn't work anymore. It get's increasingly less exact. However... Here is the 'No' answer. I do not really know which method or disk sliding procedure Joegrundman performed in his technique, but it probably required the yellowish disk to be kept in a certain relation to the angle disk. This means that you shouldn't align that 6 degrees to the 6000 mark if you don't want to complicate things. If you can keep track of which marks are important and which marks line-up with which marks on another scale, then you could try. But this is definately not for the faint at hart. You thuroughly need to understand how this disk works inside and out. Understand the math behind it. Edit: I also added a free pointer on that side which helps alot in 'memorizing' some marks of intermediate results. __________________ My site downloads: https://ricojansen.nl/downloads

09-14-09, 02:47 PM	#68
Red Heat Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,079 Downloads: 243 Uploads: 0	Very interesting stuff...downloading! __________________ ´´There is three kinds of man: the living, the death, and those who are at Sea.´´ Plato

01-01-10, 11:18 AM	#69
briklebritt Bosun Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 68 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	Link to German Attack Disc handbook is broken. can u give an alternative link?

01-01-10, 01:57 PM	#70
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,892 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	You can find it in the link at the bottom of this message. 3rd from the top. __________________ My site downloads: https://ricojansen.nl/downloads

01-01-10, 03:33 PM	#71
Panser Machinist's Mate Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Lincs, UK Posts: 124 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Thanks Pisces, I was interested in the handbook too!

07-13-16, 10:42 AM	#73
Tavs Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Halifax Posts: 8 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Just and update (to keep threads current with information that is valid) .. this file Angriffsscheibe-Handbuch-3.pdf can be found below here on the download section: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=3405 This is the English version.

09-23-20, 10:33 PM	#74
Captain Johno Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Why the Sea! Posts: 10 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Angriffsscheibe_Handbuch_3 (18.83 MB) Angriffsscheibe_Handbuch_3 (18.83 MB) available @ Link : https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/dow...o=file&id=3405 . . . if your looking. Thanks!

01-27-21, 12:00 PM	#75
RipTorn Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA New Jersey Posts: 12 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	file planet is dead Fileplanet no longer exists, is there anywhere else I can download the attack disk handbook?