Worst Sub movie ever created. - Page 5

Platapus · 10-17-12, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrewsdad

When I was a young fellow my favorite sub movie was "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" with Walter Pidgeon, Arlene Francis, Barbara Eden and Michael Ansara. Great fun and a good sci-fi film.

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Barbara Eden Hubba hubba

and not let's forget Joan Fontane. Now quite as hubba as Barbara but still hubba material.

fdsdh1 · 10-20-12, 07:21 AM

U-571 is the worst ever for a few reasons

1. the mission is pointless the engima has already been cracked by the time the film is set
2. the first U-Boat to actually be captured was almost by accident not a planned mission
3. it wasn't the USN it was the RN who captured the first enigma machine and all but 2 of all the enigma machines captured after that
4. the real U-571 was the only submarine to be captured by aircraft, all codes and the enigma machine were destroyed

minsc_tdp · 10-21-12, 09:27 PM

I worry when I read things like "that movie was horrible - the <insert nation here> didn't have <obscure weapon type> until 4 months after the movie took place! HORRIBLE MOVIE DO NOT WATCH!"

Guys, what makes a good movie is not necessarily accuracy. Inaccurate movies can be good, and accurate movies can be bad or worse yet - boring. The level of inaccuracy is a hard truth, but in the viewing situation is relative to how much you know, which differs for everyone.

I try very hard not to judge movies on accuracy, unless it is SO glaring you absolutely can't ignore it. Example: A SUB THAT CAN FLY THROUGH THE AIR WITHOUT ANY ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN IT. Just about anything else is forgivable - it's a movie - even a flying sub - as long as they explain it or put it in the proper context. Hell one of those Transformers movies had a flying aircraft carrier that was taken down by a bow and arrow, but in the context of that movie about transforming space robots, it was acceptable.

Here are my quick reviews in no particular order:

U-571 was a highly entertaining movie I really enjoyed. A bit Hollywood Schlock but well done. Some great tense moments that Hollywood does well (the guy freezing up and not yelling in German comes to mind!)

Das Boot was an excellent movie, fine filmmaking in all respects, the best movie I've ever seen though I'm admittedly biased because I like submarines. The 5-hour version is hard to sit through, but was designed for 1 episode per day over 5 days (german TV miniseries) so judging that negatively is unfair.

Crimson Tide was pretty good. Denzel overacted a bit as usual but Hackman can balance people out. Someone besides Denzel in the role and it could have been a great movie. If you like Denzel, it was a great movie.

"Below" was an entertaining, unusual horror movie. I own a copy, and I've watched it more than once. It has some lower-budget filmmaking flaws but it's uniqueness in the genre makes up for it a million times over.

Out of all the sub movies, Below is the most daring, and it should be given serious credit for that.

"The Hunt for Red October" - I loved this movie the first dozen or so times I watched it. I still do, but I must say I see it differently now. It's a great movie, but it's also blatantly masturbatory porn for wannabe sub drivers. A pencil-pusher is thrust into a wild ride which culminates in him literally driving the sub. That was put there because you are in Ryan's shoes as you watch. It's fanservice. It borders on manipulative, kind of like Avatar. If you don't understand, watch the Plinkett review of Avatar and you will understand. I don't even judge Connery for playing a Russian - he's an actor and he does his job very well. But I can't help feeling a bit manipulated after I watch this movie. Nonetheless, it rates among my top 3 like the rest of you.

Cybermat47 · 10-21-12, 09:31 PM

^^^^^^^^

Your right.

When I sat down to watch U-571, I expected it to be laughably bad.

It's actually quite entertaining!

Sailor Steve · 10-21-12, 09:48 PM

It's not the filmmaking that's bad in U-571, it's how they managed to not get one single thing right. It only sucks if you know anything about the real navy. If not, it's fine.

Red October1984 · 10-21-12, 09:54 PM

tdp said it best.

The Hunt For Red October was very good, but doesn't live up to the standard the book set for me. I hated how they changed the end.

Herr-Berbunch · 10-22-12, 08:38 AM

U-571 was in the TV listings the other day, most films if they appear military/nautical I'll record them (quite a backlog building up), but I didn't even give it a second-glance.

IronOutlaw · 10-23-12, 04:02 AM

4. the real U-571 was the only submarine to be captured by aircraft, all codes and the enigma machine were destroyed[/QUOTE]

Aside from the comments about Enigma and U-110, U-571 was sunk by an aircraft from the Royal Australian Air Force. One of the plane's crew still lives in Canberra. That is the reason the film bombed here, as the truth of her loss was quickly spread and if there is one thing Australians cannot stand it is the US film industry ignoring Australian military history!

Then there is that idiot statement, IIRC, "I can't read anything. Everything is in German." What did he expect, Japanese?

It is not just a bad film, from a Down Under point of view, it is offensive.

Cybermat47 · 10-23-12, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by IronOutlaw

and if there is one thing Australians cannot stand it is the US film industry ignoring Australian military history!
It is not just a bad film, from a Down Under point of view, it is offensive.

I found it quite entertaining, but I do hate it when somebody ignores my country's wartime records. After all, it was us Aussies who first stopped the Panzers at Tobruk!

I think that if you're going to make a completely fictional U-boat movie, you should use hull numbers from uncommisioned subs.

Sailor Steve · 10-23-12, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by IronOutlaw

It is not just a bad film, from a Down Under point of view, it is offensive.

And from a British point of view, and from the point of view of anyone who knows anything about history, submarine operations or even how sailors talk.

It's just bad.

J0313 · 10-26-12, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by S-13

Non-taken, but regardless of this fantasy submarine commander that is given apparently a new submarine every time a new sub comes out of the factory, doesn't explain why a full crew would give up their families and lives, the hero in my opinion of that novel/book was the Cook.

I guess you didn't pay attention to the movie bro. The whole crew didn't give up there families and or lives. The crew didn't even realize what was going on.
Only the Officers were in on it and none of them had families. Rameus picked them because of that. He also picked them because of their dissatisfaction with the Soviet Union. You need to get yourself strait there bud. It was a great movie and plot. And you use the word fantasy well guess what, ITS A MOVIE!!

Zander · 10-29-12, 11:48 PM

you're on to something with this chuckler.

Check out the narrator's comments starting at 00:43--->

" see it fire an inter BALLISTIC(S) missile...." eh what?
Based on your vote and that little nugget
this may really be a real stinker, worthy of the scify channel.
My sides are starting to hurt real bad now.
I wonder who wrote that little bit?

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Originally Posted by Kloef

The Atomic Submarine

By far the worst ever made submarine movie of all times..

Platapus · 10-30-12, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kloef

The Atomic Submarine

By far the worst ever made submarine movie of all times..

Don't be a hater.

Any movie with Dick Foran and the "actresses" Joi Lansing and Jean Morehead can't be all.....oh crap, you are right. It sucked.

BadMole · 11-10-12, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Been a while since I saw the movie, but in the book, it was described how the Captain was handpicking and grooming key officers for this defection. So it was not a random crew deciding to defect. I am not sure the movie made that clear.

It did.

AndreasT · 01-13-13, 10:26 AM

I saw this recently on TV. I could make a better film in my living room with my cat by drawing the special effects.
It was so bad I had to watch about half of it.

10-21-12, 09:27 PM	#63
minsc_tdp XO Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 411 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	accuracy I worry when I read things like "that movie was horrible - the <insert nation here> didn't have <obscure weapon type> until 4 months after the movie took place! HORRIBLE MOVIE DO NOT WATCH!" Guys, what makes a good movie is not necessarily accuracy. Inaccurate movies can be good, and accurate movies can be bad or worse yet - boring. The level of inaccuracy is a hard truth, but in the viewing situation is relative to how much you know, which differs for everyone. I try very hard not to judge movies on accuracy, unless it is SO glaring you absolutely can't ignore it. Example: A SUB THAT CAN FLY THROUGH THE AIR WITHOUT ANY ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN IT. Just about anything else is forgivable - it's a movie - even a flying sub - as long as they explain it or put it in the proper context. Hell one of those Transformers movies had a flying aircraft carrier that was taken down by a bow and arrow, but in the context of that movie about transforming space robots, it was acceptable. Here are my quick reviews in no particular order: U-571 was a highly entertaining movie I really enjoyed. A bit Hollywood Schlock but well done. Some great tense moments that Hollywood does well (the guy freezing up and not yelling in German comes to mind!) Das Boot was an excellent movie, fine filmmaking in all respects, the best movie I've ever seen though I'm admittedly biased because I like submarines. The 5-hour version is hard to sit through, but was designed for 1 episode per day over 5 days (german TV miniseries) so judging that negatively is unfair. Crimson Tide was pretty good. Denzel overacted a bit as usual but Hackman can balance people out. Someone besides Denzel in the role and it could have been a great movie. If you like Denzel, it was a great movie. "Below" was an entertaining, unusual horror movie. I own a copy, and I've watched it more than once. It has some lower-budget filmmaking flaws but it's uniqueness in the genre makes up for it a million times over. Out of all the sub movies, Below is the most daring, and it should be given serious credit for that. "The Hunt for Red October" - I loved this movie the first dozen or so times I watched it. I still do, but I must say I see it differently now. It's a great movie, but it's also blatantly masturbatory porn for wannabe sub drivers. A pencil-pusher is thrust into a wild ride which culminates in him literally driving the sub. That was put there because you are in Ryan's shoes as you watch. It's fanservice. It borders on manipulative, kind of like Avatar. If you don't understand, watch the Plinkett review of Avatar and you will understand. I don't even judge Connery for playing a Russian - he's an actor and he does his job very well. But I can't help feeling a bit manipulated after I watch this movie. Nonetheless, it rates among my top 3 like the rest of you. __________________ June 29 2016 - shSpeech v2.55 - Voice Command for Silent Hunter 4! View Thread

10-21-12, 09:31 PM	#64
Cybermat47 Willing Webfooted Beast Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 5,386 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 22	^^^^^^^^ Your right. When I sat down to watch U-571, I expected it to be laughably bad. It's actually quite entertaining! __________________ Historical TWoS Gameplay Guide: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2572620 Historical FotRSU Gameplay Guide: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho....php?p=2713394

10-21-12, 09:48 PM	#65
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	It's not the filmmaking that's bad in U-571, it's how they managed to not get one single thing right. It only sucks if you know anything about the real navy. If not, it's fine. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-21-12, 09:54 PM	#66
Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,241 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	tdp said it best. The Hunt For Red October was very good, but doesn't live up to the standard the book set for me. I hated how they changed the end. __________________

10-22-12, 08:38 AM	#67
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	U-571 was in the TV listings the other day, most films if they appear military/nautical I'll record them (quite a backlog building up), but I didn't even give it a second-glance. __________________

10-20-12, 07:21 AM	#62
fdsdh1 Swabbie Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 12 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	U-571 is the worst ever for a few reasons 1. the mission is pointless the engima has already been cracked by the time the film is set 2. the first U-Boat to actually be captured was almost by accident not a planned mission 3. it wasn't the USN it was the RN who captured the first enigma machine and all but 2 of all the enigma machines captured after that 4. the real U-571 was the only submarine to be captured by aircraft, all codes and the enigma machine were destroyed

10-23-12, 04:02 AM	#68
IronOutlaw Loader Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Stewarts River, NSW, Australia Posts: 82 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	4. the real U-571 was the only submarine to be captured by aircraft, all codes and the enigma machine were destroyed[/QUOTE] Aside from the comments about Enigma and U-110, U-571 was sunk by an aircraft from the Royal Australian Air Force. One of the plane's crew still lives in Canberra. That is the reason the film bombed here, as the truth of her loss was quickly spread and if there is one thing Australians cannot stand it is the US film industry ignoring Australian military history! Then there is that idiot statement, IIRC, "I can't read anything. Everything is in German." What did he expect, Japanese? It is not just a bad film, from a Down Under point of view, it is offensive. __________________ Mit Kameradschaftlichen Grüßen Kapitänleutnant Wilhelm Weiß Unterbefehlshaber der 33te U-boot. Flot.

01-13-13, 10:26 AM	#75
AndreasT A-ganger Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Berlin, Germany. Posts: 79 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	I saw this recently on TV. I could make a better film in my living room with my cat by drawing the special effects. It was so bad I had to watch about half of it.