US Politics Thread 2021-24

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

Yes you can. read my post, if you may. I'll repeat the important parts: "We'll march to the capital, I'll be there with you...", "these people here are not taking it any longer...", "you have to show strength...", "our country has had enough..." "you have to get your people to fight" SIC! "We have to get rid of the weak congress-people..." "it is time that somebody did something about it...", "we have it deep in our souls, and we fight. we fight like hell. and if you don't fight like hell you won't have a country anymore." That was some quotes of the (n/sh)ameless.
For giggles: "Lets have trial by combat!" (R. Guliani on the same stage)
“We’re coming for you,” (Don Jr. towards republicans that we're not supporting the now-ex-president.

keep in mind context matters, especially if you're trying to show intent, which you need to do in a criminal case.

FYI, everything you've posted is covered under the First Amendment. No crime.

[Skybird]

Meanwhile in the contemporary present, the party that formerly was known as "the Republicans" turns more and more orange while wading deeper and deeper into His shadow.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/28/p...rty/index.html

[Skybird]

And the orange legion still rejects to clearly distance itself from this creature, and to condemn its noise.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ocial-n1255903

[Catfish]

^ If this read of Mrs Greene's "notes" is not an eye opener, i don't know what is

[Skybird]

If you mix green and orange, you get brown.

[Jimbuna]

It would appear there is a potential problem for the ex-president brewing closer to home.

The town of Palm Beach, Florida, is reviewing whether former president Donald Trump is allowed to live at Mar-a-Lago, after years of complaints from neighbours that he was violating a legal agreement he made with local authorities in 1993 when he converted the private residence into a private social club.

Mr Trump left Washington a week ago for the so-called Winter White House, where he apparently plans to live post-presidency. Palm Beach’s town manager Kirk Blouin told HuffPost that its lawyer is reviewing whether the former POTUS can remain at the club permanently.

In 1993, Mr Trump was beset with financial problems with his casinos and millions in upkeep required at Mar-a-Lago, which was then his private home, so agreed to a “special exception use” permit that allowed him to convert the estate into a social club.

The agreement laid out that it could only include 10 guest accommodations, where people stayed no longer than a week, no more than three times a year, a requirement the president repeatedly flouted before and during his presidency.

He also signed a deal with the National Trust for Historic Preservation, a private historical preservation organization, that “forever” forfeited rights to use Mar-a-Lago for “any purpose other than club use.”

Since then, Mr Trump’s neighbours have periodically complained about his antics, most recently in December when they sent him and the town a letter demanding he be told he can’t live there, to “avoid an embarrassing situation” where the former president has to be kicked off the premises.

“There’s absolutely no legal theory under which he can use that property as both a residence and a club,” Glenn Zeitz, a Palm Beach homeowner, told the Washington Post.

Previously, town residents have balked as the president clogged streets with his security entourage, failed to comply with local development rules on issues like the height of his massive flag pole, and tried to subdivide the property into residential homes.

Town authorities said the matter could come up in a town meeting in early February, but hadn’t made any findings yet.

The Mar-a-Lago fracas is one of the many legal issues facing the president now that he’s left office, ranging from fraud investigations to a historic second impeachment trial.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...out&li=AAnZ9Ug

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

It would appear there is a potential problem for the ex-president brewing closer to home.

He got a permit from the city. Can't fight city hall. Good luck to the neighbors. Well, they can always move as well.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Here's the problem you have pushing that as a reason why a handful of people did what they did. First, as someone living in this country those words did not in any way influence me and a tremendous number of others in this country to even think about becoming destructive. Second you have not identified nor interrogated anyone involved therefore its impossible for you too know why they did what they did. You can only assume and your assumptions are based on what your favorite media source feeds you that gets regurgitated here.

More importantly, the quotes he used are in isolation. You have to hear the entire speech from Trump to understand the context which makes it abundantly clear that at no point did he call for people to engage in violence. I don't see anywhere in any of the below (where I've added the rest of the quote for actual context) any calls for people to vandalize the capitol or assault people...

"Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal. Today I will lay out just some of the evidence proving that we won this election, and we won it by a landslide. This was not a close election."

"Rudy, you did a great job. He’s got guts. You know what? He’s got guts, unlike a lot of people in the Republican party. He’s got guts, he fights. He fights, and I’ll tell you. "

"We want to go back, and we want to get this right because we’re going to have somebody in there that should not be in there and our country will be destroyed, and we’re not going to stand for that."

"For years, Democrats have gotten away with election fraud and weak Republicans, and that’s what they are. There’s so many weak Republicans. We have great ones, Jim Jordan, and some of these guys. They’re out there fighting the House. Guys are fighting, but it’s incredible."

"Unbelievable, what we have to go through, what we have to go through and you have to get your people to fight. If they don’t fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don’t fight. You primary them. We’re going to let you know who they are. I can already tell you, frankly."

"Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It’s like a boxer, and we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people."

"Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.

We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period. We’ve set it on a much straighter course, a much … I thought four more years. I thought it would be easy."

"Today, we see a very important event though, because right over there, right there, we see the event going to take place. And I’m going to be watching, because history is going to be made. We’re going to see whether or not we have great and courageous leaders or whether or not we have leaders that should be ashamed of themselves throughout history, throughout eternity, they’ll be ashamed. And you know what? If they do the wrong thing, we should never ever forget that they did. Never forget. We should never ever forget. With only three of the seven states in question, we win the presidency of the United States."

"I want to thank the more than 140 members of the House. Those are warriors. They’re over there working like you’ve never seen before, studying, talking, actually going all the way back, studying the roots of the Constitution, because they know we have the right to send a bad vote that was illegally got, they gave these people bad things to vote for and they voted, because what did they know?"

"But it used to be that they’d argue with me, I’d fight. So I’d fight, they’d fight. I’d fight, they’d fight. Boop-boop. You’d believe me, you’d believe them. Somebody comes out. They had their point of view, I had my point of view. But you’d have an argument. Now what they do is they go silent. It’s called suppression. And that’s what happens in a communist country. That’s what they do. They suppress. You don’t fight with them anymore, unless it’s a bad. They have a little bad story about me, they’ll make it 10 times worse and it’s a major headline. But Hunter Biden, they don’t talk about him. What happened to Hunter? Where’s Hunter? Where is Hunter? They don’t talk about him."

"Look, I’m not happy with the Supreme Court. They love to rule against me. I picked three people. I fought like hell for them, one in particular I fought. They all said, “Sir, cut him loose. He’s killing us.” The senators, very loyal senators. They’re very loyal people. “Sir, cut him loose. He’s killing us, sir. Cut him loose, sir.” I must’ve gotten half of the senators. I said, “No, I can’t do that. It’s unfair to him. And it’s unfair to the family. He didn’t do anything wrong. They’re made up stories.” They were all made up stories. He didn’t do anything wrong. “Cut him loose, sir.” I said, “No, I won’t do that.” We got him through. And you know what? They couldn’t give a damn. They couldn’t give a damn. Let them rule the right way, but it almost seems that they’re all going out of their way to hurt all of us, and to hurt our country. To hurt our country."

"Our brightest days are before us, our greatest achievements still wait. I think one of our great achievements will be election security because nobody until I came along, had any idea how corrupt our elections were. And again, most people would stand there at 9:00 in the evening and say, “I want to thank you very much,” and they go off to some other life, but I said, “Something’s wrong here. Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened.” And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore."

"So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give… The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country."

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

More importantly, the quotes he used are in isolation. You have to hear the entire speech from Trump to understand the context which makes it abundantly clear that at no point did he call for people to engage in violence.

But if all(dingbats on Capitol Hill) keep saying he did incite a riot due to his speech then it becomes true in their minds. It is another form of mob mentality.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

But if all(dingbats on Capitol Hill) keep saying he did incite a riot due to his speech then it becomes true in their minds. It is another form of mob mentality.

That comment form you renminds of the Chinese emperor Xi who recently expressed concerns about the censorship and lack of free speech in the US due to the Twitter and Facebook ban against Biden's predecessor.

He is really very concerned bout the state of free speech in the world.

[Buddahaid]

If the 'dingbats that broke into capital hill' are called as witnesses what do you suppose they will say?

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

If the 'dingbats that broke into capital hill' are called as witnesses what do you suppose they will say?

Hard to say but it would have to be offset by the thousands of people who heard the exact same thing and didn't do what the 'dingbats' did. Their take on Trump's speech would be just as relevant.

[bstanko6]

You it’s fraud when Biden gets more votes than Obama without campaigning!

[Mr Quatro]

I think it will become quite apparent that this is an attempt to destroy the GOP
having any chance of making a comeback with Trump.

The legal challenges that you can't impeach a POTUS after he has already left office
should stand on the first day of the trial and result in a mistrial if that is possible to
send it back to the US Congressmen to substitute censure for impeachment

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

If the 'dingbats that broke into capital hill' are called as witnesses what do you suppose they will say?

The dingbats will not be called as witnesses. First, these idiots have been arrested. Their current status makes them unreliable as witnesses. Further, throwing Trump under the bus will not help their own case. Highly unlikely any will be called to be a witness.