Wuhan virus 2020

[3catcircus]

I continue watching Jimbuna's postings and they all lead to one conclusion - *every* government throughout the world is incompetent or isn't letting this crisis go to waste - or both.

Does anyone have anything good to say about their government's response?

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

It's how many patients admitted at that time. They don't staff if patients aren't there.

So what has your experience been in this regard? Did you have covid-related overwhelming, fewer admitted than normal due to people delaying care, or somewhere in between?

[Moonlight]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

I continue watching Jimbuna's postings and they all lead to one conclusion - *every* government throughout the world is incompetent or isn't letting this crisis go to waste - or both.

Does anyone have anything good to say about their government's response?

I've no idea how the rest of the UK assesses the performance of the British government because I've found them to be criminally incompetent, two things spring to mind above all other issues, (1) releasing covid patients into vulnerable care homes and (2) Continued unrestricted immigration for most of the last year, lockdown is supposed to be lockdown you bleeding idiots.

The alternative to this shambolic government would be the Labour party, that's enough said about those bloody buffoons.

[Aktungbby]

Article In Today's WSJ: Vaccine Envy:

 

Couples who vowed to cherish each other in sickness and in health are facing a new challenge—a dose of marital vaccine envy.
Jennifer Baum, a 55-year-old New Yorker, navigated the search online for Covid-19 vaccines to grab an appointment for her 71-year-old husband, Charles. But she is among the last in line for eligibility because of her age, job and medical status.
“I don’t fit in any categories,” she said. “There are a few 3-year-olds after me.”
Ms. Baum, chief executive of Bullfrog + Baum marketing firm, is glad her husband got a precious shot and says it is a privilege to be healthy enough to be low-priority. But she can’t help feeling jealous that he can contemplate an in-person reunion with his poker buddies, while she has to wait, for who knows how long, to visit relatives in California she hasn’t seen in a year.
“I would like to see my family,” she said. “And I would like to get a facial.”
Spouses on different sides of the eligibility divide are dealing with a mix of relief, gratitude and impatience. “Vaccine envy” has become so common it has its own hashtag on Twitter, but for the romantically intertwined, it can hit especially close to home.
Some who have been vaccinated say their behavior hasn’t changed much. The CDC advises those who have been vaccinated to continue basic precautions, such as wearing masks and keeping 6 feet apart. Researchers say it’s possible that even those who have been vaccinated might carry the virus without showing symptoms and pass it onto others.(Indeed people with two vaccinations have tested positive in Calif. ) the stuff ain't foolproof!
Still, those who got shots say they wish they could share the reprieve from stress.
“It’s not exactly a nyah-nyah moment,” said Mr. Baum, who was formerly co-owner of the Rainbow Room and Windows on the World restaurant in New York City. “Once you have the second shot, it’s not as if you get a get-out-of-jail free card.”
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Barbara Waters, who is 64-and-a-half years old, just missed the cutoff for vaccines in Santa Rosa, Calif. Her 78-year-old husband got one last week. She said she asked her doctor how she could get a vaccine, and “He said you’re in the SOL group,” for s— outta luck.
Patti Banks, left, and her husband Stuart Schenendorf, and their dog, Mathison. Mr. Schenendorf received a vaccine, but Ms. Banks isn’t yet eligible.

Patti Banks, who is 61, was delighted when her 65-year-old husband, Stuart Schenendorf, texted her a photo of his sticker saying he had been inoculated. As a medical writer in Manhattan, he was extremely cautious and had been driving her crazy with restrictions, she said.
“We’ve been married 19 years, and we fought more from April through now than the entire time we were married,” Ms. Banks said. “I got a cough and he didn’t want me to go down the hallway to empty the garbage. I hugged a neighbor and he got all mad at me.”
Her husband didn’t want her to do her outdoor “boot camp” exercise class but she needs to escape their one-bedroom apartment, she said, so she works out with a video sometimes in a vacant boardroom at JPMorgan Chase, where she has a job in asset management.
Mr. Schenendorf can’t wait for his second dose and dreams of going to Yankee games and maybe a trip to the movies. “I’m dying for a big thing of popcorn,” he said.
He wants his wife to get a shot as soon as she is eligible. Ms. Banks said she “would like to get it because I think he would be more comfortable.”
Brian Rooney, a former correspondent for ABC News who lives in Hyde Park, N.Y., was able to nab a shot in Albany this month because he is 69. He tried to persuade the clinic to vaccinate his 63-year-old wife while they were there, with no luck. “I rue I’m old enough to qualify,” he said. “They keep talking about senior citizens first. I’m really a senior citizen?”
Margery and Robert Quackenbush with their grandchildren.

Margery Quackenbush, an 82-year-old therapist, was thrilled to get an appointment for her 91-year-old husband through the Department of Veterans Affairs. She heard at her senior center that she could get a shot too when she escorted him to the Manhattan VA Medical Center but was dismayed when her request at the clinic was rejected.
“It was very upsetting,” she said. “He couldn’t have gotten there without me. I know how to stage a scene but didn’t.”
Ms. Quackenbush said she was angry at government rule makers and the VA. “Who are they to decide who gets vaccinated and who doesn’t?” she asked.
ichael Drake, a spokesman for the VA NY Harbor Healthcare System, said by email that “to ensure that we preserve our supply of vaccine for our most vulnerable veterans,” the center isn’t authorized to offer shots to the general public at this time.
Ms. Quackenbush finally got her chance when a concerned neighbor went online at 2 a.m. one day to beat the competition. Her first dose was scheduled for Monday at the Javits Center in Manhattan.
Her husband, Robert Quackenbush, a children’s book author, got his second dose on Saturday, so their Valentine’s Day dinner doubled as a vaccination party, with filet mignon wrapped in bacon, baked potato with caviar and chocolate mousse.
Their toast: “To getting through all this.”

Jeeze! it helps to B single!

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

Some German federal states have stopped vaccinatinng the AstrZeneca vaccine.


In Germany, the vaccine is ot licensed for use in abvove 65 yera old, since not enough data is provided.


So it get used only on younbge rpeopeol with priority, due to thgeir system relevance: fire fighters, policemen, nurses, doctors and such.



Now, in severla jpositals they realsied that the yhad severe shiortages in Covid personell suddenly, after they had AZ vaccination for the personell. Quite a signficant ammount of these people developed so severe vaccination symptoms after the first shot, that they had to report ill and stayed at home. It reaches as far as partial body paraylsis lasting for days. Its not an ifnecitoin, but a storng immune reaciton to an simulated infection, of course, but since it is used in younger people and not the older, their immune system is stronger and has more biting power than that of much older people.



The vaccines of Moderna and Biontech/Pfizer cna show heavy symptoms, too, but in htese two it is usually not after the first but the second shot.



These severe reactions by the immune system are comign fromt hat vaccine that has had severla troubles already during phase 1, 2 and 3 trials, more thna any of the other, AFAIK.



This and the silence of polticians avbout it is beign taken note of in germanby, and I am sur eit will add to thre already not small scepticism here. Many peopoe, especially nurses and staff in hospitals, refused to accept beign avccinated with the AZ jab. They will not get less, but more now.


Some weeks ago it was revealed by a magazine that the German health minister pressed officials from the pharmacists association and a doctors association to straightout lie to customers and patients asking about possible side effects, and to play things down and openly deny that there could be more severe reactions and complications.


Unforgivable stupidity, is you ask me. A lie only works if it doe snto get uncovere.d this one was uncovered very quickly, and it already has seriously backfired. Trust has been further eroded, scepticism has been fostered.



Its a funny coutnerffect, in a way. Imagine a moment my strategy - boosting and modulating my immune system by supplementing it with vitamines, minerals, trace elements in nhig doses - works. I then would maybe have a higher risk of being more seriously affected by the sideffects of the vaccination itself thna many others becasue my immune system is in tipptop shape and easgerly headjumps into the "fight" against the simulated enemy. Granted, its nothing that will kill me, but I planned things slightly differently when I started to execute that strategy...


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Criticism is mounting in germany on the fact that financing the development of actual meidcaitosn agaiunbst Covid 19 has been so far almnost negklected in faovur of financing vaccine research. A very one-sided, all money on one bet strategy, I realsied that this was stupodi when some weeks ago already I saw a TV report on how little money is being used on developing drugs/medications, and think this is another major failure of the German decision-makers. Because until these few weeks ago, prctically no state aid was paid to the few private developers at all! And even now its just drops of water on a hot stone what there flows in money.



It is risky to assume vaccone alone will get us out of this. Vacicnes will become ineffective, to inor oarts they alreadsy have shown to be impoitent on the mutated forms. We will need medical treatment options for sure - in fact we already increasingly need them right now. Research for a cure.



Vaccines are one sid eof the medal only. the other side is so far ignored. Not wise.

[Rockstar]

Starting to see reports from around the world about how a dramatic fall in COVID cases and hospitalizations has stumped science. Not the all wise and all knowing godlike wizards of science that has to be a mistake


I think I called this several months ago when I said it would be all rainbows and unicorns shortly after Biden took office.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Starting to see reports from around the world about how a dramatic fall in COVID cases and hospitalizations has stumped science. Not the all wise and all knowing godlike wizards of science that has to be a mistake


I think I called this several months ago when I said it would be all rainbows and unicorns shortly after Biden took office.

There are two big factors at play.

1. Coronaviruses are strongly seasonal.
2. WHO changed their criteria -yet again- such that PCR CT that were in some cases as high as 45-50 were reduced to an extent that cases reported are a lot less than would have been reported before.

[Skybird]

The measures taken, bite the virus. Its also in parts a seasonal thing, though in the Northern hemisphere this still should not play a role, I mean - we have mid-February. Practically deep winter. Just one week ago we had tempratures deep in the -20s, and I stood in snow banks up to my hips.

In some parts of germany, the case numbers already rise again, not many, but its a warning. Next week, several openings in federal states of schools, haircutters, and some more will take place. That also helps case numbers to rise. Finally, the mutations have not even been close to their climax in Germany.

We cannot endlessly lock down, it destroys us completely, economically. We must open up, virus yes or no. Like a Diesel sub running out of air. We must surface.

Also, I accepted lockdowns only as a way to buy time to get vaccines out. But when I see how incompetently they waste the time by weeks and months, this argument collapses. My mind currently is changing therefore, from pro-lockdown to contra-lockdown.


And I hate inconsequence. I just cannot stand it.

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I read in local newspaper that in my hometown, one third of those nurses and doctors who agreed to a vaccination date for themselves with AZ jabs, let their dates forfeit. One in three. Willingness to get a jab by AZ already before were just at 40-55% or so, and even slowly declining.

In some other parts of Germany, they sit on reserves of vaccine that do not get vaccinated because they failed to organise the staff running the show. How dumb is this now? But okay, its been just a few months, so I understand that one can get surprised after such short warning time by how fast things suddenly develope.

I disagree with the prioritizing to vaccinate the elder with the assumed-better mRNA vaccines and first, and the system-relevant nurses, doctors, teachers with the assumed-"inferior" vaccines, and all others with the cheapest available jabs last. And I know a small number of old people here in my street and house who also do not understand why they are given this high a priority. On the weekend, the man living here in the base floor with his wife, both around 80 years, even told me they refuse to take away from younger people the vaccination since "we already have lived our lives", as he put it in his own words. They rejected their invitation. It stings my heart a bit, but my parents say the same, they absolutely disagree with porioritizing the oldest. Germany once again has terribly messed up priorities. And it wants to save on peanut moneys for buying vaccines where it wastes billions and billions and billions every week with incompetent administration, requiring extended lockdowns.

Parents should be prioritized. Nurses, doctors. Firefighters, police officers. Cashiers in supermarkets. Next, school children.

The oldest of the oldest go first, and take the "best" ...? Sorry, no. tjhat is no investement into the future. Its throwing precious ressources out of the window, so to speak.

Note, my defined priorities do not benefit myself, nor my parents. Shall nobody think I set them the way I said for self-benefitting from them. I'll take a jab whenever it is realistically available and whatever brand it will be. But I am not in a desperate hurry. Far from it.

And who knows, until then, as slow as things move in germany, it may be found that newer mutations than the current ones have rendered existing vaccines useless already.

We need cures and drugs to treat Covid-19 successfully.

I often think of Sun Tzu these days: "He who wants to defend everything, will lose everything."

[Rockstar]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...virus-pandemic

Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis argued on Sunday that Florida “focused on lifting people up,” while “lockdown states” are “putting people out of business” amid the coronavirus pandemic.

If you compare California where the predominatley leftist government ruled by edict killing off business and employment. To Florida where business is booming and as the Governeor stated let the people use there own good judgment to prevent the spread. The number of COVID cases and fatalities are roughly the same.

[Catfish]

^ Fatality numbers are not the same. Once more political opinion by Fox business, does not help.
That Florida is faring better than other comparable states with lesser restrictions can imho be related to weather, temperature and following behaviour.

"Florida has more cases per 100,000 residents. More deaths, too.
[In] just the last 90 days [...] California has recorded more cases, but fewer deaths than Florida. Adjust for population and California comes out better on both measures."

[Catfish]

"Taiwan says BioNTech vaccine deal on hold, cites potential Chinese pressure"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2AH0HE

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Received a text from the vaccination centre an hour ago asking me to ring them. It took about ten minutes to get through, the line obviously experiencing heavy traffic.

First jab is 9am tomorrow and the second is the same time on 11th May.

Feeling lucky in more ways than one, the jab is being given at the medical centre where my doctors are based and the wife is going for breast screening at the same venue, booked in for 9.30am.

Congrats!

I got both of my Sputnik-V shots ofc, but great to hear that people are getting vaccinated as well.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Congrats!

I got both of my Sputnik-V shots ofc, but great to hear that people are getting vaccinated as well.

Cheers....a little soreness where the needle went in but I'm totally not bothered.

[Jimbuna]

World's first human trials given green light in UK

Healthy, young volunteers will be infected with coronavirus to test vaccines and treatments in the world's first Covid-19 "human challenge" study, which will take place in the UK.

The study, which has received ethics approval, will start in the next few weeks and recruit 90 people aged 18-30.

They will be exposed to the virus in a safe and controlled environment while medics monitor their health.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56097088