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[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan

Ahoy...



Your experience, sounds eerily like mine, as outlined as follows:

Driving a Sargo

Started in Asiatic Flotilla in December 1941.

Transferred to... Surabaya, right after the collapse of Manilla.

Had made zero equipment upgrades.

Had made zero personnel changes.

when I went to click on the wall map to see our next mission, there was a slight delay and then CTD.

Only difference, I didn't know to save the bloody game save so as to pin it down definitively... but, that could well be the mission that bolloxed Me up, when that same thing happened...

Could very well have found the culprit there, KaleunMarco....

I hope so, so that can be neutered in the bud... snip snip...

M. M.

Yours was Fremantle though, correct MM?

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Yours was Fremantle though, correct MM?

Yeah, no... Surabaya... if I posted Freemantle, then I erred... & apologize for any confusion that caused... I ended My 1st patrol, after doing that crazy, insane Lamon Bay, Aparri, Lamon Bay circus... then hot footed it to knock out that 1st patrol. I docked, then hit the office, did a quick look to see if there was any upgrades for the sub, finding none, I then went to the map so as to start off on the 2nd patrol.. & CTD'ville....

Thinking back on this now... I do recall some message flitted about of Surabaya being seen as untenable & thoughts of abandoning it & having the fleet rebase there at Freemantle...

Before I crash test that file you put up.. I'll take a mo mo & recheck it... I still as for now, have the RTB save before I started the 2nd patrol (that time, successfully & no revisiting CTD'ville...) & can see where I am at exactly... for sure...

M. M.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

Driving a Sargo out of Brisbane.
December 19, 1942.
11 completed missions.
Currently refitting in port.
Started in Asiatic Flotilla in December 1941.
Transferred to Brisbane Flotilla Spring 1942.
New Submarine offered after mission 6 and again after mission 9. Both refused.
Have made zero equipment upgrades.
Have made zero personnel changes since mission 2 or 3 although i did award some medals after the last (#11) mission.
when i click on the wall map to see our next mission, there is a slight delay and then CTD.
i snuck a peek at CareerTrack.UPC and our next mission is ID408 which is Insertion Spy Philippines 03.mis.
i snuck a peek at that mission's dotMIS and it has several entries such as this one: Insert Spy Philippines 03_Z
Your thoughts?

Addendum: the root cause is definitely the ID408 mission because if i change the mission to a different, eligible mission (ID168), there is no CTD.
also, i edited the MIS and TSR of ID408, eliminating the internal spaces of the names but that did not make a difference. the game still CTD at the same action.


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Originally Posted by propbeanie

The mis and tsr are fine. That "Insert Spy Philippines 03_Z" is the name of the MapZone where you make the drop. The "Insert Spy Philippines 03_L" is the green map Patrol Marker. The Objective is "Insert Spy Philippines 03_Obj1", which uses that MapZone. That's all there is to the mission, besides the briefing and synopsis.
What date did you arrive back at Brisbane,
what date does it show you to depart, and
which boat are you in?
I'm leaning more toward something "external"... in other words, that pause sounds like you are starting to spawn into the game itself, and there is something amiss in the neighborhood around you on that particular date. maybe...

btw, no conn change? Gun change? AA change? radar change?

Most of the info you requested is in my post (above).
arrived in Brisbane 12/19/42.
departure date (from CareerTrack.upc) is January 11, 1943.

that pause sounds like you are starting to spawn into the game itself, and there is something amiss in the neighborhood around you on that particular date. maybe

i thought the same myself until i changed the next mission to another acceptable mission for our base/boat and there was no CTD.
it's that Insert Spy Philippines 03 mission. something is amiss. most likely, something subtle and simple, but hiding.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan

Yeah, no... Surabaya... if I posted Freemantle, then I erred... & apologize for any confusion that caused... I ended My 1st patrol, after doing that crazy, insane Lamon Bay, Aparri, Lamon Bay circus... then hot footed it to knock out that 1st patrol. I docked, then hit the office, did a quick look to see if there was any upgrades for the sub, finding none, I then went to the map so as to start off on the 2nd patrol.. & CTD'ville....

Thinking back on this now... I do recall some message flitted about of Surabaya being seen as untenable & thoughts of abandoning it & having the fleet rebase there at Freemantle...

Before I crash test that file you put up.. I'll take a mo mo & recheck it... I still as for now, have the RTB save before I started the 2nd patrol (that time, successfully & no revisiting CTD'ville...) & can see where I am at exactly... for sure...

M. M.

do you know how to find the Savefile folder?
drill down on the RTB savefolder and find the CareerTrack.UPC file.
open it with Notepad.
look for this parm: PlayerCurrentObjectives=ID168.
you wont have ID168 your mission number will be different.
reply with that value. please.

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Yours was Fremantle though, correct MM?

Ahoy, propbeanie...

Ok, cross checked that & yeah... am rebased at Surabaya... Not Freemantle... & it was indeed Surabaya, where I had that office/ma CTD occur...

The set circumstances sound exactly alike...

same career start: Asiatic 12 of '41..

same boat: sargo

no sub parts upgrades/no crew changes

click map: check

CTD: check

Right down the line...

Only difference, KM was able to pin down the ID on the mission for Him..

It may have been that 1 that did it for Me... of which I regret of NOT having made a copy of My save folder, to know for 100% sure..

M. M.

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

do you know how to find the Savefile folder?
drill down on the RTB savefolder and find the CareerTrack.UPC file.
open it with Notepad.
look for this parm: PlayerCurrentObjectives=ID168.
you wont have ID168 your mission number will be different.
reply with that value. please.

Yeah, I know how to do so... only issue is.. I did not think of or know to do so before I restarted at My last save point, which would have been the revisit to Lamon Bay... before hot footing it to Surabaya to dock...

That action bolloxed up the info on that CTD...

I NOW know to make a copy should that occur again... as they say, hind sights 20/20....

M. M.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan

Yeah, I know how to do so... only issue is.. I did not think of or know to do so before I restarted at My last save point, which would have been the revisit to Lamon Bay... before hot footing it to Surabaya to dock...

That action bolloxed up the info on that CTD...

I NOW know to make a copy should that occur again... as they say, hind sights 20/20....

M. M.

have you deleted the game within your career?

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

have you deleted the game within your career?

No... please, reread again KM...

I went back to the save point, BEFORE I docked @ Surabaya, that I experienced the CTD.
I did not do any saving before I docked (at Surabaya the 1st time) & the save point where I was @ Lamon Bay that 2nd time...

I reloaded that Lamon Bay (2nd visit) & then did a save point, after I got the all clear objective complete, mission complete... made My way to Surabaya, (for the 2nd time) did a save point, before tripping off the dock/rearm box... after that save I proceeded the rest of the way to getting that dock/rearm box to pop up & docked.

The 2nd time of doing so, being in the office, I then rechecked to see if there was any upgrades for the boat, again... not making any changes to the crew, again... & then went to the map to see to starting off a 2nd patrol... this time, doing so WITHOUT experiencing a CTD...

That action of reloading the save point @ Lamon Bay (2nd visit there) & continuing to dock @ Surabaya for a 2nd time... wiped out any info on the CTD...

I didn't think of checking the save files before doing that, for that info of
'' PlayerCurrentObjectives=IDxxx # "... in short, as much as it pains Me, to admit it... I goofed...

I NOW know if a CTD like that occurs, yet again, to do that.. before I do any thing else...

M. M.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan

That action of reloading the save point @ Lamon Bay (2nd visit there) & continuing to dock @ Surabaya for a 2nd time... wiped out any info on the CTD...

not necessarily....i should have framed my question differently

Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan

I went back to the save point, BEFORE I docked @ Surabaya, that I experienced the CTD.

do you still have the autosave from this point of your career...just prior to the CTD? remember some things happen automatically.

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

not necessarily....i should have framed my question differently
No worries, mate...


do you still have the autosave from this point of your career...just prior to the CTD? remember some things happen automatically.

If by that, you mean the save point I did before calling it a night, while I was still @ Lamon Bay (2nd visit to it, in My 1st patrol mission objective) then the answer to that would be a resounding yes... I still have that save point.

The 1st docking @ Surabaya, was when I finished off the part 3, 1st patrol mission, was running through the passage waterways from the west side of the Philippines, to the west side, exiting the San Bernardino passage... I ran into a small task force of 2 DD's, 1 Minelayer & a seaplane tender... which I radioed that in & got orders to sink it. I proceeded on to Lamon Bay, patrolled there the 1st time, completed that, got orders to patrol Aparri right after that... in the course of doing that, ran into a task force, on radioing that in, got the reply back to disengage... which I gritted My teeth & did so. I went to hot foot it to Mariveles, to do a hot resupply. En route to do that, I then ran into My 3rd task force... & just as with the 2nd one, got the same message when I radioed that in. completed the resupply, went back to Aparri... completed that objective aka part 2 of My 1st patrol. Upon doing that, got messaged to then go back to Lamon Bay, but this time, a much larger area in the region to patrol. I figure I pretty much completed that about 2/3 to 3/4 of the time to be there to do so... when I needed to grab some sleep, so I did a save & waited a bit, before exiting the game.

I reloaded up the next day, to finish that part of the mission off, got the all clear aka mission complete then hot footed it to dock @ Surabaya, to dock... but... between finishing 2nd trip to Lamon Bay, I did NOT do any saves before docking at Surabaya the 1st go around. I docked & then ran into that CTD... I reported it, & rather than waiting, I reloaded the save @ Lamon Bay (2nd visit...) completed it again, as I mentioned already before.. saved & then hot footed it to Surabaya for the 2nd time.. saving after I completed pt. 3 of My 1st patrol, hot footed it to dock @ Surabaya, saving before I set off the dock/rearm box.

BUT, to re-emphasize.. I do indeed have that 2nd visit to Lamon Bay save...

[propbeanie]

The "Save" he would need, which no longer exists, is the original "AutoSave_OnEnteringBase" save or the "AutoSAve_OnLeavingBase", if it created one when he attempted to leave. Once he went back to the previous Save and then returned to base, the game overwrote the "AutoSave..." stuff, and he got a different roll of the dice for the next mission assignment.

Parameters understood for both of you guys' experiences with a mission assignment, as well as a fellow earlier who had similar at Fremantle. I am getting my cities mixed-up, kind of like "If this is Wednesday, this must be San Francisco", only to find out later, that it is Thursday, and Chicago instead...

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

The "Save" he would need, which no longer exists, is the original "AutoSave_OnEnteringBase" save or the "AutoSAve_OnLeavingBase", if it created one when he attempted to leave.

yes, i was hoping for that AutoSave_OnEnteringBase savefolder to be available because it would have had Mad's next mission assignment....the one that CTD.

oh well. we will have to wait for the next time.

[Mios 4Me]

Originally Posted by Mios 4Me

USS Gato, ex-Midway, after numerous assignments with poor returns, decided to check out Truk without orders. On the E side, on 11/2/42 @ 0500, multiple targets appeared on the radar, most bound ENE. We swept out wide to the E to intercept the lead elements, a merchant with an escort. This Whale Factory must have been the most important WF in the history of the world as it was escorted by a Yamato BB, both moving slowly.

We sank the BB, then took a closer look at the WF: it was almost submerged and the song of the sea began to play. We quickly surfaced and sank it with the deck gun. Radar then reported that the escorts and a carrier were still where originally reported 15 km from the BB, ie stationary. We approached and put five Mk14s into a Taiyo CVE, which did not sink. An errant torpedo sank an escort.

Closer into Truk, a sub was frozen next to a merchant and a freighter was stationary a few km E of that.

This was the original coasting TF report. To clarify on the non-TF ships (other than the Whale Factory and escort the TF was commingled with), the other stationary ships in the general vicinity were an LMT 163°, 23 km from Dublon harbor, and an A1 sub, Jingei tender, and a corvette 5.75 km closer to Dublon. 11/2/42

Originally Posted by Mios 4Me

Sent on the next patrol to the Carolines and given a license to hunt anything, anywhere, we headed for Truk for another round of experiments.

First attempt: Swept counterclockwise around the atoll, freezing several warship and merchant units on the N/NE shores of the large SW island. Submerged to transit the channels to ID the various units. Game soon CTDed while maneuvering inside.

Second attempt: <snipped>

Moved W several hours, then headed back for a sweep around the atoll to test the trigger. Received a report of warship headed W from the W channel exit. Upon arrival found two stalled merchants and a sub.

The last vessels mentioned were a MECF, MRBSF, and an A1 sub, located 271°, 68 km from the center of the Moen airfield triangle on 12/14/42 @ 1419

Originally Posted by Mios 4Me

Incidentally, PB, I just had a third assignment to Truk. You recall the issue posted from the first one, the Yamato convoy E of Dublon. The second assignment went more normally: ambushed an exiting convoy at the SW approaches which had been still inside the atoll when detected, then penetrated the harbor and sinking anchored capital ships (and a frozen MPF once). Each time the game CTDed as I nearly escaped the lagoon, which I attributed to system resource constraints. It's almost as if the game refuses to allow harbor raiding there. Eventually I declined the raid and went N, where I discovered a frozen Shokaku and modern passenger transport. Sank both, then proceeded back to Mare Island to start sea trials (although this was the Balao we'd just upgraded to). No CTD.

To amplify, the Shokaku was at 317°, 29 km from Moen airfield on 4/16/43 @ 0311. The MPT was a few km to the NE. There were a couple of unidentified escorts farther inside the atoll which may have been frozen as well. The CV was initially underway when detected on radar.

When I revisited this save point once, I went inside instead and encountered a soon-to-be frozen MPF at 279°, 21.5 km from Moen airfield, plus a stationary A1 sub (third one mentioned in this post) and a corvette moving at 1 kt in the channel just NE of there.

Finally, on 8/19/43 @ 0440, there was a burning corvette aground on the southern shore of an island 259°, 22 km from Moen airfield.

[Mad Mardigan]

Ahoy...

Yeah, propbeanie... kinda like you think it's Wed. & you know that the food service at a resident living facility you live in, serves meatloaf dinner w/ the trimmings, then realize it's Thur. instead & they only serve tuna melt casserole that day & you had your heart & taste buds salivating at the ready for that meatloaf dinner... weird analogy, but... is apt, in its own way...

Any who... the main point is KaleunMarco... I now know what TO DO & what NOT to do, should that happen again... this time, being prepared to whack it's block off, should it get brave enough to do so...

M. M.

[propbeanie]

@ KaleunMarco - it'd be nice if they kept more than two copies of those... In my case, those are over-written almost on a daily basis.

We must also thank KaleunMarco for his diligence and tenacity in getting to the bottom of more than one issue, especially lately. btw, do NOT transfer to Tulagi in v1.39 - unless you transfer out right away - if in an S-18 boat (11-01-43), Salmon (11-15-43), Sargo (11-28-43), Porpoise (12-16-43) and S-42 (11-17-43), with those dates being MM-DD-YY as the termination dates at Tulagi for their classes. If you stay to, or beyond those dates, you will be transferred to a non-existent location, and probably CTD. This is fixed in the next release. I unfortunately included an interim version of the Flotillas file, and Flotilla 16 was not in the version of the file in v1.39.

@ Mios 4Me - thanks for gathering all of that into one post. Appreciate that. Most of what you describe are ships that were docked at Truk at those times, and then "disturbed" by that rogue group we found. Also of note, when a group spawns in the game, and you catch it at certain times, especially the confines of something like Truk (Tokyo Bay is another), there is not a whole lot of room for a group to "build", and they will seemingly "stand still" for a bit near their spawn-in location. Also though, some are set to slower speeds inside the terminal, and then speed up once outside the confines, and in deeper water. But, we have found a few more issues with some ships lately. s7rikeback is working hard to eliminate duplicates and certain shared assets in the game as much as possible, which makes the game run more efficiently. However, as we go, other issues are then uncovered. This is the reason for not updating the add-in mods yet. The next version of the mod will not be backward compatible, but will hopefully be the end of such changes being necessary in the future... knock on wood - famous last words...

@ MM - "I hates me tuna-melt casserole! The fisheeze should not be cook-edd..." a play on Gollum, of course... lol