John McCain slaps Chinese Submarine!!

Platapus · 06-14-09, 07:05 AM

Well, actually it was the USS John S. McCain.

Sub collides with sonar array towed by U.S. Navy ship

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/06/12/chi...ine/index.html

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In what a U.S. military official calls an "inadvertent encounter," a Chinese submarine hit an underwater sonar array being towed by the destroyer USS John McCain on Thursday.

The array was damaged, but the sub and the ship did not collide, the official said. A sonar array is a device towed behind a ship that listens and locates underwater sounds.

The incident occurred near Subic Bay off the coast of the Philippines.

The official, who declined to be named because the incident had not been made public, would not say whether the U.S. ship knew the submarine was that close to it.

However, the Navy does not believe this was a deliberate incident of Chinese harassment, as it would have been extremely dangerous had the array gotten caught in the submarine's propellers.

The Navy has complained in the past that Chinese vessels, including fishing boats, have deliberately tried to disrupt U.S. naval activities in international waters near China. In one widely publicized incident in March, five Chinese vessels maneuvered close enough to the USNS Impeccable to warrant the use of a fire hose by the unarmed American vessel to avoid a collision. The Navy later released video of that incident.

Is it reasonable for a Chinese Submarine not to be able to detect a towed array to the point it will bump in to the array?

I can't imagine why the Chinese would deliberately bump the array -- too much risk for no "pay off".

Kapitan_Phillips · 06-14-09, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Is it reasonable for a Chinese Submarine not to be able to detect a towed array to the point it will bump in to the array?

Depends on the class of sub I guess.

SteamWake · 06-14-09, 08:08 AM

Near the Phillipenes

Jimbuna · 06-14-09, 09:54 AM

I doubt the sub knew there was a towed array in operation...but surely the surface vessel must have been aware of the subs close proximity

SteamWake · 06-14-09, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I doubt the sub knew there was a towed array in operation...but surely the surface vessel must have been aware of the subs close proximity

I can imagine the operator ripping off his headphones saying "Good God there right on top of it !"

AVGWarhawk · 06-14-09, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I doubt the sub knew there was a towed array in operation...but surely the surface vessel must have been aware of the subs close proximity

Jims first piont is assured. Hell, the towed array might as well be a fishing line. The sub should not detect it as far as I know. Point two, towed array is for tracking subs, no? If it was not detecting the Chinese submarine then it was just a fishing line after all.

desertisland · 06-15-09, 02:16 AM

What are these people doing in Subic Bay? That at least explains the hush-hush instead of the usual finger-pointing. What losers...

Jimbuna · 06-15-09, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by desertisland

What are these people doing in Subic Bay? That at least explains the hush-hush instead of the usual finger-pointing. What losers...

I reckon the same question could be asked of every side....dependant on where your sympathies/loyalties lie.

Side A....What are the Chinese doing in the Philipines?

Side B....What are the US doing in Taiwanese waters?

Wolfehunter · 06-15-09, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I reckon the same question could be asked of every side....dependant on where your sympathies/loyalties lie.

Side A....What are the Chinese doing in the Philipines?

Side B....What are the US doing in Taiwanese waters?

Spying?

Jimbuna · 06-15-09, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

Spying?

Either that.....or fishing

AVGWarhawk · 06-15-09, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I reckon the same question could be asked of every side....dependant on where your sympathies/loyalties lie.

Side A....What are the Chinese doing in the Philipines?

Side B....What are the US doing in Taiwanese waters?

USA has been buddy buddy with Philipines for very long time. Obviously before WW2. I think it is common place for one of USA's vessels to be in these waters. Besides, I think Taiwan is second only to China for imported goods to the USA. OR, they really could have been fishing.....for submarines.

SteamWake · 06-15-09, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Either that.....or fishing

Looks like they caught something.. no?

desertisland · 06-15-09, 09:25 PM

Taiwanese waters? I didn't know Taiwanese waters were involved.

Is it okay to pop open someone's locker as long as you're his buddy? Sounds like "spying on your buddy" to me.

Furthermore:

How did they know for sure it is a Chinese submarine?
How did they know it is a submarine at all?

"Eh, sir, I think we just lost our towed array."
"Damn the Chinese!"

Someones' been sleeping on his job again.

Spike88 · 06-16-09, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by desertisland

Taiwanese waters? I didn't know Taiwanese waters were involved.

Is it okay to pop open someone's locker as long as you're his buddy? Sounds like "spying on your buddy" to me.

Furthermore:

How did they know for sure it is a Chinese submarine?
How did they know it is a submarine at all?

"Eh, sir, I think we just lost our towed array."
"Damn the Chinese!"

Someones' been sleeping on his job again.

I'm thinking the submarine probably surfaced after hitting the towed array.

Jimbuna · 06-17-09, 10:22 AM

The towed array probably knocked a tile or something similar off the hull.

We al know that everything these days has "Made in China" stamped on it

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desertisland Gunner Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Desert Island Posts: 96 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Taiwanese waters? I didn't know Taiwanese waters were involved. Is it okay to pop open someone's locker as long as you're his buddy? Sounds like "spying on your buddy" to me. Furthermore: How did they know for sure it is a Chinese submarine? How did they know it is a submarine at all? "Eh, sir, I think we just lost our towed array." "Damn the Chinese!" Someones' been sleeping on his job again.