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Old 03-26-2020, 06:13 PM   #1906
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"How do we beat this thing? Everybody wears a face mask."



In the second half of it he compares two basic scenarios basing on two differen assumptions, that must lead to different political and economical fallout. He concludes that apparently our leaders have chosen to go with the wrong one, thus maximising the fallout damages. I am cautiously and hesitently agreeing with it, since his reasoning on this was new to me and I am not yet fully settled with my choice of opinion over this.
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Old 03-26-2020, 06:19 PM   #1907
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Probably one in ten use the internet as an information superhighway, the other nine out of ten use it for selfies, jokes, candy crush, and God knows what else. LOL
I swear I only searched for WWII Submarine porn!
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Old 03-26-2020, 06:22 PM   #1908
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Churches finding new ways to have church ... this is an old drive-in in Kentucky

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Old 03-26-2020, 06:24 PM   #1909
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Well folks

Be prepared for another lock down in autumn 2020, Winter 2021, late summer 2021.....

The goal to create an immunity against this corona among the human race is not important..the important here is to protect everyone.

Therefore be prepared.

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Old 03-26-2020, 06:38 PM   #1910
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The goal to create an immunity against this corona among the human race is not important..the important here is to protect everyone.
You protect everyone one day - by getting to everyone being immunised. By a vaccine. What we currently try to do, is not solving the issue, but buying time. Flattening the curve does not cure Covid-19. It buys us time before a - hopefully flatter - peak comes, and hopefully prevents health care systems from getting overwhelmed and not being able to help neither Corona patients nor any other patient. Obviously that is very difficult to acchiece, the war rages hot and unforgiving in France, Italy, Spain.


How do we buy time? We flatten the curve. We all wear a face mask. We practice social distancing. All this slows down the spread of the deasese. And gives our researchers time they need. "2 meters distance determines our existence."
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More testing did this ... we have to see the end of the tunnel before we can get out of the tunnel

China went over 1,000 confirmed infections on 24 January and hit 80,000 on 1 March, 35 days later.

The US went over 1,000 confirmed infections on 11 March and hit 80,000 on 26 March, 15 days later.
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We're number 1 again!


You sure you ain't working for the Democrats?
Instead of statistics. Tell me about the snag that held up the bill last night.
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You protect everyone one day - by getting to everyone being immunised. By a vaccine. What we currently try to do, is not solving the issue, but buying time. Flattening the curve does not cure Covid-19. It buys us time before a - hopefully flatter - peak comes, and hopefully prevents health care systems from getting overwhelmed and not being able to help neither Corona patients nor any other patient. Obviously that is very difficult to acchiece, the war rages hot and unforgiving in France, Italy, Spain.


How do we buy time? We flatten the curve. We all wear a face mask. We practice social distancing. All this slows down the spread of the deasese. And gives our researchers time they need. "2 meters distance determines our existence."
Some hours ago I read this in a Danish news paper.

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Kari Mølbak, who is the technical director of Infection Preparedness at Statens Serum Institut, does not hide the fact that he disagrees with the message that has been sent by the World Health Organization, WHO.

Here is the message that countries must test, test and test themselves through the epidemic.

They must simultaneously isolate all sick and put their contacts in quarantine in order to break the chain of infection.

Then we just push the problem in front of us because this virus is something that the population has to go through sooner or later, says Kåre Mølbak, who is also a consultant in infectious epidemiology and professor at the Faculty of Health Sciences at the University of Copenhagen,

It must happen at a pace where the health care system is not being put under such enormous pressure that it can no longer treat the most ill citizens of society.

Such as seen in major European countries such as Italy and Spain, which together have more than half of the world's registered deaths for coronavirus.

According to Kåre Mølbak, most of us must sooner or later be infected with Covid-19. That is the law of the epidemic.

- That's what is the problem with what the WHO says. They imagine you can contain the infection, but I think that is totally passé.

believes that the infection at best can be halved as a result of the initiatives taken.

Thus, the shape of the epidemic curve will flatten out, which will have a noticeable effect on the load on the health system, according to the risk assessment.

On the other hand, if we follow the WHO's recommendation, we do not, according to Kåre Mølbak, achieve the same herd immunity, where large sections of the population are infected during the first wave of the epidemic and thus become immune to the disease.

Then we risk that the next wave of the epidemic in the autumn will be so high that it will shake the health care system
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Old 03-26-2020, 08:14 PM   #1914
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Old 03-26-2020, 08:32 PM   #1915
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@mapuc,


Yes but there are two ways to reach immunity, mapuc. By infection adn surviving it, and by vaccine, which is in principle a mild infection under controlled lab circumstances. Top get the latter, we need to buy time.

The Swedes, the Dutch and originally the British wanted to go like this man you mention says. But the math showed the British that by letting it just burn through the population, the health system would be overwhelnmed and the overall death toll from Corona as well as other patients not having Corona but not getting treated due to hospital collapse, were horrific and much higher than if you try to delay by flattenign the curve and hoping you get the time needed to have a vaccine.

The Swedes still seem to run "let it burn through the populaiton and count the bodies afterwards". By all what I have seen in the internet media, I must conclude that they will terribly regret this. The math simply does not compute. Not in Britains case. Not in Hollands case. And most likely also not in Sweden's case.

After the current social isolation phase, which will last 3-6 weeks I expect, we must find ways to get away from that, because we cannot endure that until next year economically. We must thus isolate and protect the vulnerable (elder), and have the less vulnerable being freed of the restricitions first (young). Until next year, we all will need to practice social distancing, I expect. A lot of social adaptation and changes in how we sustain the elderly people must be figured out as well. The old generations in families will find this tough. Caretklaing of the elderly will become extremely difficult and cost- and personnell-intensive. Human tragedies loom ahead.

I see small positives in all this, too, they are minor and seem irrelevant, even eccentric, but still. Not only is the city currently lacking traffic noise, which I like tremendously, but our habits of socially greeting when meeting the other, must change, too. No more hugs and kisses with colleagues and strangers, and hand-shaking. I never liked all that, while at the same time these things became ever more intensely practiced over the past 20, 30 years, to illustrate how "social" and group-compliant somebody is. From now on greeting will be a nod with the head, a friendly look , an implied bow, a friendly hand gesture like they do in India and parts of Asia, maybe. I like these more self-restraint social manners much more, the Western manners have become quite extroverted and even exhibitionistic over the past decades. And in ordinary living together in the public space, we need to become more decent again and act with more decency and distance, which I also prefer.

And finally, the complecancy that has spread widely here in the West, is shaken, and I hope it really gets cut back by all this. Suddenly, its about life and death, a real threat, no time for progressive mindfukking anymore , to use a term by Fritz Perls.



Real threats to life and existence, bring people back to their elemental senses. Hopefully. As communities we will need to learn to get along with less, and must learn greater modesty again. What we had taken for granted, suddenly is in doubt. We just have started to experience the first of two tsunamis. After the medical tsunami comes the financial-economic one. Its absolutely possible that it flushes our "money":LOL:-system away. This seocnd tsnunmai already has begun as well, we see it in the many people who got laid off already, and small businesses dying.


I hope we use the opporutntiy to ,let the many m,any zombie companies die as well, their quota in the economy has become unsustainable in the past ten years. Myartket emans that unhealthy, noncompetitive companies leave the game and get replaced by better suited, advanced contenders. Keeping dead corpusses alive and carry their weight along, any economy can sustain only until a certain quota, and not beyond.
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Old 03-26-2020, 10:16 PM   #1917
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....and what lessons governments can learn as they think about preparing for future challenges.
Small ones judging by historical record.
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Old 03-26-2020, 10:25 PM   #1918
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Churches finding new ways to have church ... this is an old drive-in in Kentucky


I know it isn't popular to say so these days, but I think that is AWESOME!
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That brings up something I hadn't thought about or read about. How is the Catholic Church handling Communion now?
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