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Old 04-28-2018, 01:20 PM   #1
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Hello people,

For research purposes i am wondering if some people on these forums can help me locate data and that some of you can redirect me to various archives, libraries and other sources of submarine knowledge where i can find and use the plans/designs/blueprints/drawings/photographs or even (parts of) 3d models of the various submarines and their load-outs/weaponry/gear/equipment that saw (active) service ranging from 1930 up to 1950/49.

that said, like most if not all indie developers, hobbyists, students and freelancers i am broke as heck and will only resort to using money if there are no other options left.

think drawings like these:
 





 





 





 





the reason why i am looking for these is simple, i would like to start making 3d models of these vessels and perhaps use these models for renders or even in a game environment if i ever get around to do things properly, be it a display sort of program or an actual game, even if i fail at these tasks i still like hoarding knowledge to fill my harddrives/SSDs with. it also is always a good thing to have something to do.



below is the list of (combat capable) submarines i am looking into... which is basically all of em in my given/specified timeperiod...


this list is subjected to changes to include or exclude submarines/variants after more indepth review over time.

 

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possible submarines, classes, types, variants and research trees:
#1- Early= early/earliest variant of the boat, usually the inter-war(1930+) or early stages of WWII model(1939/40).
#2- Late= later variant or distincting update of the boat, usually Early-Mid WWII or Late WWII (1940-47).
#3- additionally, NO GUPPY or other 'VERY LATE/Post WWII' modifications will be used/available (1948/50+).
#4- some boats have seen continuous modifications without designations, early/late are here used to mash feautures together so one doesnt end up with similar submarines with only 1 metal plate or small (relatively insignificant) detail changed.
#5- earliest commission date of first ship variant - furthest demolition date of last ship variant or furthest decommision date.
#6- Timeperiod will be ranging from 1930-1950/49, available submarines can be built earlier but must have served within this time frame with the earliest in commission date allowed being 1920



currently listed are a total of: (183+2 Submarine variants)

AXIS: (85 variants)
Germany - DE/GER (25 variants)
Italy - IT/ITA (24 variants)
Japan - JP/JAP (33 variants)
Finland (3 variant)


ALLIES: (98+2 Variants)
Russia/Soviet Union - RU/USSR (23 variants)
France - FR (17 variants)
Netherlands - NL (9 variants)
United Kingdom - UK/ENG (18+2 variants)
the United States of America - US/USA (27 variants)
Polish - PL (2 variant)
Greece - GR (2 variant)



Germany - DE/GER (25 variants)
#1- 1936-40 / Type I; A
#2- 1935-45 / Type II; A, B, C, D
#3- 1936-70 / Type VII; A, B, C, C/41, D, F
#4- 1938-45 / Type IX; A, B, C, C/40, D2
#5- 1940-45 / Type X; B
#6- 1944-49 / Type XVII; A, B
#7- 1944-82 / Type XXI
#8- 1944-68 / Type XXIII
#9- 1944-45 / Type XXVII (seehund); B
#10- 1939-? / Type XIb U-boat (built? fully designed submarine cruiser)
#11- 1944-45 / Biber
#12- 1944-45 / Molch


Italy - IT/ITA (24 variants)
#1- 1929-48 / Goffredo Mameli class
#2- 1938-43 / CA-class
#3- 1941-50 / CB-class
#4- 1940-45 / Guglielmo Marconi-class
#5- 1940-48 / Ammiraglio Cagni-class
#6- 1930-43 / Squalo-class
#7- 1935-48 / Glauco-class
#8- 1933-58 / Archimede-class
#9- 1938-48 / Brin-class
#10- 1938-47 / Commandante Cappellini/Marcello-class (IT/JP/GER)
#11- 1927-50 / Balilla-class
#12- 1933-42 / Italian 600 Series; Argonauta, Sirena, Perla, Adua, Acciaio
#13- 1942-67 / Flutto-Class; Type I
#14- 1939-44 / Console Generale Liuzzi-class
#15- 1930-48 / Fratelli Bandiera-class
#16- 1931-48 / Marcantonio Bragadin class
#17- 1931-47 / Luigi Settembrini class
#18- 1936-47 / Foca class
#19- 1935-43 / Pietro Calvi class
#20- 1930-47 / Vettor Pisani-class


France - FR (17 variants)
#1- 1926-46 / Requin class; pre-1937(refit), post-1937(refit)
#2- 1928-52 / Redoutable-class; Type I, Type II. (FR/USA/Vichy)
#3- 1933-58 / Saphir Class
#4- 1934-52 / L'Espoire class
#5- 1936-52 / Agosta Class
#6- 1927-45 / French 600 Series; Sirène class, Ariane class, Circé class (FR)
#7- 1932-45 / French 630 Series; Orion class, Diane class, Argonaute class (FR)
#8- 1936-54 / Minerve-class (FR/Vichy)
#9- 1946-62 / Aurore-class (FR/GER)
#10- 1934-42 / Surcouf (1 Aircraft carrier Cruiser sub); 1934, 1941,


Netherlands - NL (9 variants)
#1- 1920-42 / K V-class
#2- 1922-44 / K VIII-class
#3- 1925-45 / K XI-class
#4- 1933-46 / K XIV-class
#5- 1926-44 / O 9-class
#6- 1931-45 / O 12-class
#7- 1936-41 / O 16-class
#8- 1939-45 / O 19-class
#9- 1940-59 / O 21-class


Japan - JP/JAP (33 variants)
#1- 1924-45 / Kaidai-class; I(KD1), II(KD2), IIIa/b(KD3a/b), IV(KD4), V(KD5), VIa/b(KD6a/b), VII(KD7)
#2- 1926-45 / Junsen-class; J-I, J-1M, J-II, J-III (II & III = 1 Aircraft carrier cruiser sub)
#3- 1920-45 / Kaichu-class; K-II(Ro-13), K-III(Ro-16), K-IV(Ro-26), K-V(Ro-29), K-VI(Ro-33), K-VII(Ro-35)
#4- 1944-45 / I-400/Sen-Toku class; 400, 400s (2 aircraft carrier cruiser sub, 400s model +1 plane +schnorkel)
#5- 1941-45 / Type A class; A1(I-9), Mod.1(I-12)/A2, Mod.2(I-13)/AM (AM=2 Aircraft carrier cruiser sub)
#6- 1940-45 / Type B class; B1(I-15), Mod.1(I-40)/B2, Mod.2(I-54)/B3 (all=1 Aircraft carrier cruiser sub)
#7- 1940-45 / Type C class; C1(I-16), C Mod.(I-52)
#8- 1944-45 / Type D class; D/D1(I-361), D-mod/D2(I-373)
#9- 1945-45 / I-201/Sen-Taka class
#10- 1945-45 / Ha-201/Sen-Taka-Sho class
#11- 1927-45 / I-121/Kirai-Sen(KRS) class
#12- 1942-45 / Ro-100/Kai-Sho(KS) class
***many of the ships scrapped/scuttled between 1946-50 or later by the USA.


United Kingdom - UK/ENG (18+2 variants)
#1- 1927-59 / Odin/O-class
#2- 1929-46 / Parthian/P-class
#3- 1930-46 / Rainbow/R-class; Group 1, Group 2, Group 3
#4- 1930-72 / Shark/S-class; Group 1(swordfish), Group 2(safari), Group 3(sturdy)
#5- 1932-46 / River/Thames-class
#6- 1932-46 / Grampus/Porpoise-class
#7- 1938-77 / Triton/T-class; Group 1(triton), Group 2(trasher), Group 3(tudor)
#8- 1938-65 / Undine/U-class; Group 1(undine), Group 2(utmost), Group 3(venturer)
#9- 1943-64 / Vampire/V-class (WWII)
#10- 1945-74 / Amphion/Acheron/A-class

#11- 1917-46 / L-Class; Group 2/L9, Group 3/L50 (L23/L26/L27/L55 lasted throughout ww2, used but too old, but usable ingame? perhaps add it later, +2 variants)


the United States of America - US/USA (27 variants)
#1- 1920-46 / S-class; Group 1(S1), Group 2(S42), Group 3(S2), Group 4(S3), Group 5(S48)
#2- 1924-45 / V-Boat-class; V1-3(barracudas), V4(argonaut), V5/V6(narwhal/Nautilus), V7(dolphin), V8(cachalot)
#3- 1935-45 / Porpoise-class; Early, Late
#4- 1937-46 / Salmon-Class; Early, Late
#5- 1939-46 / Sargo-Class; Early, Late
#6- 1940-46 / Tambor-Class
#7- 1940-46 / GAR-Class
#8- 1941-45 / Mackerel/Marlin-class
#9- 1943-69 / Gato-class; Mod 1, Mod 2, Mod 3, Mod 4
#10- 1943-75 / Balao-class
#11- 1944-?? / Tench-class; Early, Late
#12- 1936-47 / Perch class


Russia/Soviet Union - RU/USSR (23 variants)
#1- 1928-58 / Dekabrist-class; Series I early, Series I late
#2- 1931-71 / Leninets/L-class; Group 1(II), Group 2(XI), Group 3(XIII), Group 4(XIII-mod)
#3- 1932-56 / Shch/Shchuka-class; Group 1(III), Group 2(V), Group 3(V-mod/V-bis), Group 4(V-mod-2/V-bis-2), Group 5(X), Group 6(X-mod/X-bis)
#4- 1935-56 / pravda/P-class; Early IV, Late IV
#5- 1935-?? / Srednyaya/S-class; IX, IX-bis-2,
#6- 1940-59 / Katyusha/K-class; Series XIV
#7- 1933-?? / Malyutka/M-class; VI, VI-bis, XII, XV
#8- 1936-79 / Kalev class (Estonian)
#9- 1926-41 / Ronis class (Latvian)


Finland (3 variant)
#1- 1930-50 / Vetehinen-class
#2- 1936-46 / Vesikko-class
#3- 1930-52 / Saukko


Polish - PL (2 variant)
#1- 1939-40 / Orzeł class
#2- 1929-55 / Wilk class


Greece - GR (2 variant)
#1- 1927-45 / Papanikolis/Katsonis (Y-1/2) (Y-class)
#2- 1929-45 / Proteus/Protefs/Glafkos Class



ps, yes i know finland was neutral/switched back and forth during the war, but they generally helped the germans with their submarine design developments, especially early on so Axis it is.





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if you think and have a suggestion for (name) changes, significant additions or the removal of a relatively insignificant boat on this list let me know, and i'll update the OP and my personal lists if/when i agree.
monster projects are/can be great fun, but will be a royal pain in the rear if you don't document them properly, especially the research subjects source names that govern the system.

anyways, feel free to comment, i love getting feedback on these kind of things.

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Old 04-28-2018, 09:46 PM   #2
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Avarus Lux!It's best to start at the beginning; the first successful combat submarine CSS Hunley
...after which U may proceed to the USS Alligator, lost off Cape Hatteras 4/2/1863 which is presently being searched for: http://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/alligator.pdf
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hello there and thank you for the input,

i do agree with anyone on the fact that the history of submarines is surely interesting, however although the beginning and early history of submarines is amazing, it is too much for it goes too far back in time for my tastes and while the subject itself is realy interesting in a historical sense and technological sense, to me personally these earlier submarines are not "interesting", they are worlds apart from those that saw action and sailed during the inter-war period, WW2 and directly thereafter.

i am only interested in those boats and classes that could have reasonably sailed into WW2 and put up a fight, my criteria thus exclude most milk cows, training boats, tenders, transports and naturally the unarmed (or very lightly armed) ones. using the given "in active commission" timeperiod of 1930-1950/49 i also exclude most ww1 and early inter-war designs and anything more advanced thats starts going into the "modern" era. the earliest in commission date is 1920, as a lot of dates start in the 20's and serve into ww2, the only exception as of now is the british L-class with 1917.


the earliest boats i exclude are these, i'll list them per nation:
  • anything before the United States S-Class, i excluded the R-Class as these barely make my requirements
  • anything before the British L-class, same as above really, still on the fence on the L-class itself, which i probably will remove as well for the same reasons i excluded the E-class and other early designs, so anything before the Odin/O-class.
  • anything before the German type I.
  • anything before the soviet Dekabrist-class.
  • i start at the Italian Ballila class followed by the Squalo-class, but the bandiera class could be included if i find more info on these.
  • anything before the Netherlands K V-class.
  • anything before the Redoutable-class for France.
  • anything before the Japanese Kaidai-class.
  • the other nations i have listed are one offs i find interesting enough to go into that make the same requirements.

the cut-off date is 1950/49 so anything newer than that is a no go, starting with the 1951 United States Barracuda-class submarines (originally the K-1-class submarines), while for The British Amphion class (also known as the "A" class and Acheron class) it is a mixed bag as early variant is a go while the 1950's modernisation variant is a nope, i might scrap the class altogether from the list if i can't define the modern/old variant well enough due to research.


currently i have listed about 140 submarine variants i would like to work with and dig up research on, adding anything earlier or later then my dates between 1930-50/49 would add so damn many submarines to my list it stops being a fun monster hobby idea and starts being a lifetime occupation as adding the ww1 era subs alone would skyrocket the amount to over 300 submarine variants. heck, there are probably many submarine classes i haven't listed and i expect my list to change to a higher number (although i have to probably start cutting somewhere at some point to keep it from blowing up).



so, another wall of text from me... yay

EDIT: Semi-removed the L-class from the OP list, 1920=1920 and not earlier XD (entry is still there but disconnected with footnote).
EDIT2+: i keep finding so darn many errors and typos :/

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Avarus Lux!It's best to start at the beginning; the first successful combat submarine CSS Hunley
...after which U may proceed to the USS Alligator, lost off Cape Hatteras 4/2/1863 which is presently being searched for: http://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/alligator.pdf
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Ruth Beck! Fabulous first post! THE CSS HUNLEY IS A FAVORITE THEME OF MINE AS I'M A LONGTIME CONFEDERATE RE-ENACTOR https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2228886&postcount=229 AND OF COURSE, AFTER YEARS OF RESEARCH, I FOUND THE TRUE CAUSE OF HER SINKING....
 
NEEDLESS TO SAY...BEING ABOARD HER MUST HAVE BEEN....A RIVETING EXPERIENCE https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/hunley-submarine-1.4259123
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