Subsim Videos: Silent Hunter 5 - Page 2

Heretic · 02-20-10, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanzfeld

Nope the boat was underwater in the video. But did you REALLY think that they would model all 50 crew? I knew they wouldnt.

Judging by screenshots of the crew screen, I feared we'd only end up with 15 or so. I'm pleasantly surprised they have this many.

ozzysoldier · 02-20-10, 11:22 AM

i did hope fore a full crew not a skeleton crew

Dr.Silversides · 02-20-10, 01:52 PM

hmmm; i wonder if the OS requirements will be much higher than SH4, i certainly hope not because if its a whole lot more it wont run too well....

Task Force · 02-20-10, 02:02 PM

Hmm, yep, were missing some crew... guess you have a sub with Elite crew... They can multi-task.

AVGWarhawk · 02-20-10, 03:21 PM

Truthfully, I like what I see. Get rid of the health bars and talk bubbles. Go from there

ozzysoldier · 02-20-10, 03:54 PM

multi-task my *** give us a full crew

Chef · 02-20-10, 04:37 PM

Man, that is one hang dog crew. They look like they just got back from a rough night at the club in La Rochelle.

No Tipperary for you!

Kresge · 02-20-10, 05:26 PM

Is this where somebody is supposed to chime in about not buying the game because the full crew isn't included?

Game looks awesome so far. Thanks for posting the vids Neal!

thannon · 02-20-10, 10:04 PM

Looks like the zombie extras from zombieland were animated....

First-player RPG as Woody Harrelson locked in a sub...probably more interesting than the 20th time wondering where the crews eyes are....

ozzysoldier · 02-21-10, 04:53 AM

no my point is that if u spend alot of time making 1 sub look real,
at least give a propper crew to make the living inside of it real.

The Enigma · 02-21-10, 06:24 AM

Come on guys, these are all non realistic demands.
Ever thought of the system specs you gonna need for such crew?

My humble opinion:
It's all about going out of port and hunt the enemy.
It's not a game about a subsim crew.

For me, the complete crew could be as it is in SH3.
I wonna navigate, hunt down an enemy vessel, target it and try to sink it and returning to port.
Yes, vessels should be looking good, even so airplanes.the sea, explosions etc.

That's the real importance, not the crew.

Added:
A nice feature would be that there were special missions like picking up
a shutdown pilot or something like that.

tienman75 · 02-21-10, 07:56 AM

How about today with a new video?

Please, Neal!!!

02-21-10, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tienman75

How about today with a new video?

Please, Neal!!!

Yes Neal please the 2 weeks waiting are difficult.

Steeltrap · 02-21-10, 09:58 AM

It's a real shame after all the time discussing the way trcking/plotting was done, leading to firing, that they've chosen the "same old system" and not a 'bearing, mark' etc etc.

Also, WHO calls out "ship sighted" when the periscope is raised? How the hell could they see through it????

Heretic · 02-21-10, 12:53 PM

There's a very simple reason that things are the way they are - business. That's not a dirty word. It's the reason that companies exist. Every software project has two absolutes that require an act of God to change - time and money. There's never enough of either one to do what you want. Also your project must make a profit for the company. That's the only reason it's being made. For any given budget, there is a sales target that must be met to justify the expense. And it's designed with that in mind.

Let's say SH5 has to sell 100,000 copies to justify it being made. The devs have the experience and knowledge to make the sub sim of our dreams. Unfortunately, that game wouldn't sell 100,000 copies, so it can not be made. Every development decision is driven by that. Does this feature help me or hurt me in meeting my sales target? What percentage of that target represents hardcore sub simmers? 5%, at best? So, it becomes very difficult to justify spending precious development money and time for features that only appeal to a tiny fraction of your target audience. And if that comes at the price of cutting something that appeals to the larger audience, it's a no-brainer. It can't be done.

Everything becomes a trade-off. Details are simplified or left out, not because the developers are stupid or lazy or hate hardcore gamers, but because the development resources must go to the things that give the biggest bang for the buck. Things that make the game more accessible to the causal gamer will always have a higher priority than those that appeal to the hardcore minority. To do otherwise would just put your company out of business.

02-20-10, 02:02 PM	#19
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Hmm, yep, were missing some crew... guess you have a sub with Elite crew... They can multi-task. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

02-20-10, 03:21 PM	#20
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 27,343 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Truthfully, I like what I see. Get rid of the health bars and talk bubbles. Go from there __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

02-20-10, 04:37 PM	#22
Chef Seaman Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 41 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Man, that is one hang dog crew. They look like they just got back from a rough night at the club in La Rochelle. No Tipperary for you! __________________ Commanding U-52 and the USS Balao, how confusing.

02-20-10, 05:26 PM	#23
Kresge Engineer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Motor City Posts: 209 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Is this where somebody is supposed to chime in about not buying the game because the full crew isn't included? Game looks awesome so far. Thanks for posting the vids Neal! __________________ ". . . sailors do not fancy living underwater without breathing in sunshine occasionally." Commodore Joseph Smith commenting on the USS Monitor

02-21-10, 06:24 AM	#26
The Enigma Seer of visions Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Under the surface Posts: 2,315 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Come on guys, these are all non realistic demands. Ever thought of the system specs you gonna need for such crew? My humble opinion: It's all about going out of port and hunt the enemy. It's not a game about a subsim crew. For me, the complete crew could be as it is in SH3. I wonna navigate, hunt down an enemy vessel, target it and try to sink it and returning to port. Yes, vessels should be looking good, even so airplanes.the sea, explosions etc. That's the real importance, not the crew. Added: A nice feature would be that there were special missions like picking up a shutdown pilot or something like that. __________________

02-20-10, 11:22 AM	#17
ozzysoldier Bosun Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 64 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	i did hope fore a full crew not a skeleton crew

02-20-10, 01:52 PM	#18
Dr.Silversides Watch Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: US Posts: 21 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	hmmm; i wonder if the OS requirements will be much higher than SH4, i certainly hope not because if its a whole lot more it wont run too well....

02-20-10, 03:54 PM	#21
ozzysoldier Bosun Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 64 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	multi-task my *** give us a full crew

02-20-10, 10:04 PM	#24
thannon Nub Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Looks like the zombie extras from zombieland were animated.... First-player RPG as Woody Harrelson locked in a sub...probably more interesting than the 20th time wondering where the crews eyes are....

02-21-10, 04:53 AM	#25
ozzysoldier Bosun Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 64 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	no my point is that if u spend alot of time making 1 sub look real, at least give a propper crew to make the living inside of it real.

02-21-10, 07:56 AM	#27
tienman75 Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 11 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	How about today with a new video? Please, Neal!!! __________________

02-21-10, 09:58 AM	#29
Steeltrap Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 818 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	It's a real shame after all the time discussing the way trcking/plotting was done, leading to firing, that they've chosen the "same old system" and not a 'bearing, mark' etc etc. Also, WHO calls out "ship sighted" when the periscope is raised? How the hell could they see through it????

02-21-10, 12:53 PM	#30
Heretic Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 617 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 2	There's a very simple reason that things are the way they are - business. That's not a dirty word. It's the reason that companies exist. Every software project has two absolutes that require an act of God to change - time and money. There's never enough of either one to do what you want. Also your project must make a profit for the company. That's the only reason it's being made. For any given budget, there is a sales target that must be met to justify the expense. And it's designed with that in mind. Let's say SH5 has to sell 100,000 copies to justify it being made. The devs have the experience and knowledge to make the sub sim of our dreams. Unfortunately, that game wouldn't sell 100,000 copies, so it can not be made. Every development decision is driven by that. Does this feature help me or hurt me in meeting my sales target? What percentage of that target represents hardcore sub simmers? 5%, at best? So, it becomes very difficult to justify spending precious development money and time for features that only appeal to a tiny fraction of your target audience. And if that comes at the price of cutting something that appeals to the larger audience, it's a no-brainer. It can't be done. Everything becomes a trade-off. Details are simplified or left out, not because the developers are stupid or lazy or hate hardcore gamers, but because the development resources must go to the things that give the biggest bang for the buck. Things that make the game more accessible to the causal gamer will always have a higher priority than those that appeal to the hardcore minority. To do otherwise would just put your company out of business. __________________ - heretic I enjoy drinking beer. MightyFine Crew Mod 1.2.1 - Updated 22 March MightyFine Less Annoying Footsteps Crew AI Scripting Information