Problem with TMO2.5 w/RSRDC ver 5.02

4H_Ccrashh · 04-29-21, 07:01 AM

I like the difficulty of TMO but the campaign is a little off for me so I thought I would try RSRDC
Load order is

1. TMO 2.5
2. TMO version of RSRDC ver 5.02.
3. RSRDC small fix patch

I am not running any other mods.

Every time I start a campaign, whether with the Asiatic Fleet or out of Pearl, regardless of the type of submarine the game crashes at EXACTLY 2130 (game time) on the first day.

Any ideas?

4H_Ccrashh · 04-29-21, 07:07 AM

I tried running the stock 1.5 game with the straight 1.5 version or RSRDC (no TMO stuff)

Same thing happens, game crashes at 2130 exactly every time.

KaleunMarco · 04-29-21, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4H_Ccrashh

I tried running the stock 1.5 game with the straight 1.5 version or RSRDC (no TMO stuff)

Same thing happens, game crashes at 2130 exactly every time.

ouch.
let's back up a step.
has SH4 ever run properly on this computer?
if no, then you have an installation issue.
if yes, then delete your entire Save Folder area and try Stock, first.

Arlo · 04-29-21, 03:44 PM

As I was recently made aware ... every mod installation should be preceded by the deletion of the SH4 folder in documents and loading and running LAA to increase your SH4.exe memory. *shruG* couldn't hurt. May not be related to your problem at all ... but it is now a good habit practiced by me.

4H_Ccrashh · 05-02-21, 01:38 PM

Deleted the saved games and the game SH4.exe has been patched with LAA.

Still have the problem.

The game ran flawlessly through my entire war using TMO without RSRDC.

I also have Fall of the Rising Sun going on another campaign making movies. It also works without any issues.

This happened to me before, I posted about it. Back then it was a different computer running Windows 7.

Since then I have replaced the HD with an SSD ,upgraded my memory and went from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

The issue is still there.

KaleunMarco · 05-02-21, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4H_Ccrashh

Deleted the saved games and the game SH4.exe has been patched with LAA.

Still have the problem.

The game ran flawlessly through my entire war using TMO without RSRDC.

I also have Fall of the Rising Sun going on another campaign making movies. It also works without any issues.

This happened to me before, I posted about it. Back then it was a different computer running Windows 7.

Since then I have replaced the HD with an SSD ,upgraded my memory and went from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

The issue is still there.

ok, thanks for explaining.

table stakes question: since you state that you have FOTRSU installed, how did you install the additional instance of SH4/TMO-RSRD? have you used MultiSH4?

propbeanie · 05-02-21, 03:46 PM

If you crash at the same time same day, then there is something wrong (most likely) with a radio station you've added, or was added for you. If you have one of the CBS radio mods, there is a date problem in one of those. Make certain there isn't something in the Data / Sound / Radio folder for December 8, 1941 at 2130. If you have folders, open them one by one, and then the Events folder in each, and inspect the Event.ini file (Notepad can open them), and see if there isn't something like that. The messages.txt also uses date / time, but those do not crash you if they are out of sequence, they only fail to load.

4H_Ccrashh · 05-03-21, 04:19 AM

Yes I use Multi SH4.

PropBeanie you nailed it. Removed the CBS Radio mod and problem solved.

Thank you.

propbeanie · 05-03-21, 07:46 AM

Excellent. So there is one out-of-sequence event in the events.ini file for the CBS radio mod. You could either edit that file yourself, or use Digital_Trucker's RadioStationManager V1.0 "mod" (technically, not a mod, but a tool). Use the SubSim download link since the "DownUnder" link is dead. Be aware that the little applet was written for Windows XP, and Windows 10 can be finicky about it. You do have to pay attention where you put the executable for it, and you don't have to use JSGME for that, if you want to keep your JSGME list "clean". Extract the file, and copy it directly to the game's "root" folder, which is all that JSGME does with it anyway... After "repairing" the events.ini file for the CBS mod, it will then be able to get past that date and function properly, or as properly as the game allows the "radio" to function... all that is spoken of in Digital_Trucker's thread and the ReadMe stuff for the applet. Why Ubisoft made it to where a radio event being out of sequence would crash the game is beyond most people's understanding...

KaleunMarco · 05-03-21, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Why Ubisoft made it to where a radio event being out of sequence would crash the game is beyond most people's understanding...

a big +1

4H_Ccrashh · 05-03-21, 09:55 AM

Ok so I went in and found the offending radio broadcast that was causing the problem. The new program offers me the opportunity to remove the event. I try to apply the changes and it say "media file not found".

I go into the CBS radio mod and the event is in there and it plays.

In the end I edited the event.ini and commented out the offending entry and it is working, sans the offending entry.

Funny thing is the CBS radio mod works perfectlyfine with TMO without RSRDC and it works in FOTRSU. Go figure,,, At least I have most of my radio back.

Thanks again.

propbeanie · 05-03-21, 11:10 AM

The Start date of the game is the issue, which is also dependent upon where you start from. The Asiatic Fleet start is out of Manila on December 8, and Pearl Harbor is December 7. There is supposed to be an International Date Line between the two locations, but we are talking about a toilet paper tube representing the world, not a sphere, and the player is limited to 1.5 trips around the world... therefore in reality, there is no IDL in the game, and it is just "simulated" anymore. Back with the initial release of the game, the IDL played havoc with traveling beyond it, and the game would "lose" all sorts of important information, such as where bases were, where the player was, etc., so the "fix" was to remove all attempts at an IDL... So if the date / time of the event is not encountered, no problem as far as the game is concerned. As I mentioned, Windows is a bit persnickety about RSM for whatever reason, and you probably did not hold your mouth correctly, nor spit into the wind and say the secret mantra phrase that is known only to those who know it... but seriously, maybe Mad Maridgan will happen by in a while, and can give you some pointers on its use. I have it on my machine downstairs, but I am supposed to be putting up screens for the storm doors right now...

so I had better get back at it while there is still daylight to burn here...

04-29-21, 07:01 AM	#1
4H_Ccrashh Helmsman Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 110 Downloads: 472 Uploads: 0	Problem with TMO2.5 w/RSRDC ver 5.02 I like the difficulty of TMO but the campaign is a little off for me so I thought I would try RSRDC Load order is 1. TMO 2.5 2. TMO version of RSRDC ver 5.02. 3. RSRDC small fix patch I am not running any other mods. Every time I start a campaign, whether with the Asiatic Fleet or out of Pearl, regardless of the type of submarine the game crashes at EXACTLY 2130 (game time) on the first day. Any ideas?

04-29-21, 07:07 AM	#2
4H_Ccrashh Helmsman Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 110 Downloads: 472 Uploads: 0	further information I tried running the stock 1.5 game with the straight 1.5 version or RSRDC (no TMO stuff) Same thing happens, game crashes at 2130 exactly every time.

04-29-21, 03:44 PM	#4
Arlo The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 214 Uploads: 0	As I was recently made aware ... every mod installation should be preceded by the deletion of the SH4 folder in documents and loading and running LAA to increase your SH4.exe memory. shruG couldn't hurt. May not be related to your problem at all ... but it is now a good habit practiced by me. __________________ -Arlo

05-02-21, 03:46 PM	#7
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,742 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	If you crash at the same time same day, then there is something wrong (most likely) with a radio station you've added, or was added for you. If you have one of the CBS radio mods, there is a date problem in one of those. Make certain there isn't something in the Data / Sound / Radio folder for December 8, 1941 at 2130. If you have folders, open them one by one, and then the Events folder in each, and inspect the Event.ini file (Notepad can open them), and see if there isn't something like that. The messages.txt also uses date / time, but those do not crash you if they are out of sequence, they only fail to load. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

05-03-21, 07:46 AM	#9
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,742 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	Excellent. So there is one out-of-sequence event in the events.ini file for the CBS radio mod. You could either edit that file yourself, or use Digital_Trucker's RadioStationManager V1.0 "mod" (technically, not a mod, but a tool). Use the SubSim download link since the "DownUnder" link is dead. Be aware that the little applet was written for Windows XP, and Windows 10 can be finicky about it. You do have to pay attention where you put the executable for it, and you don't have to use JSGME for that, if you want to keep your JSGME list "clean". Extract the file, and copy it directly to the game's "root" folder, which is all that JSGME does with it anyway... After "repairing" the events.ini file for the CBS mod, it will then be able to get past that date and function properly, or as properly as the game allows the "radio" to function... all that is spoken of in Digital_Trucker's thread and the ReadMe stuff for the applet. Why Ubisoft made it to where a radio event being out of sequence would crash the game is beyond most people's understanding... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

05-02-21, 01:38 PM	#5
4H_Ccrashh Helmsman Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 110 Downloads: 472 Uploads: 0	Deleted the saved games and the game SH4.exe has been patched with LAA. Still have the problem. The game ran flawlessly through my entire war using TMO without RSRDC. I also have Fall of the Rising Sun going on another campaign making movies. It also works without any issues. This happened to me before, I posted about it. Back then it was a different computer running Windows 7. Since then I have replaced the HD with an SSD ,upgraded my memory and went from Windows 7 to Windows 10. The issue is still there.

05-03-21, 04:19 AM	#8
4H_Ccrashh Helmsman Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 110 Downloads: 472 Uploads: 0	Yes I use Multi SH4. PropBeanie you nailed it. Removed the CBS Radio mod and problem solved. Thank you.

05-03-21, 09:55 AM	#11
4H_Ccrashh Helmsman Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 110 Downloads: 472 Uploads: 0	Ok so I went in and found the offending radio broadcast that was causing the problem. The new program offers me the opportunity to remove the event. I try to apply the changes and it say "media file not found". I go into the CBS radio mod and the event is in there and it plays. In the end I edited the event.ini and commented out the offending entry and it is working, sans the offending entry. Funny thing is the CBS radio mod works perfectlyfine with TMO without RSRDC and it works in FOTRSU. Go figure,,, At least I have most of my radio back. Thanks again.

05-03-21, 11:10 AM	#12
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,742 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	The Start date of the game is the issue, which is also dependent upon where you start from. The Asiatic Fleet start is out of Manila on December 8, and Pearl Harbor is December 7. There is supposed to be an International Date Line between the two locations, but we are talking about a toilet paper tube representing the world, not a sphere, and the player is limited to 1.5 trips around the world... therefore in reality, there is no IDL in the game, and it is just "simulated" anymore. Back with the initial release of the game, the IDL played havoc with traveling beyond it, and the game would "lose" all sorts of important information, such as where bases were, where the player was, etc., so the "fix" was to remove all attempts at an IDL... So if the date / time of the event is not encountered, no problem as far as the game is concerned. As I mentioned, Windows is a bit persnickety about RSM for whatever reason, and you probably did not hold your mouth correctly, nor spit into the wind and say the secret mantra phrase that is known only to those who know it... but seriously, maybe Mad Maridgan will happen by in a while, and can give you some pointers on its use. I have it on my machine downstairs, but I am supposed to be putting up screens for the storm doors right now... so I had better get back at it while there is still daylight to burn here... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna