Wolfpack 0.18 Torpedo run before turn problem

Sharpshooter · 07-02-19, 03:39 PM

"Torpedo gyro is now activated after 200 meters."

This feels... strange. Is it realistic?

According to http://www.tvre.org/en/gyro-angled-torpedoes, the initial run before starting a turn is somewhere between 9.5-15m, depending on the type of torpedo. Their turning radius differ too.

derstosstrupp · 07-02-19, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharpshooter

"Torpedo gyro is now activated after 200 meters."

This feels... strange. Is it realistic?

According to http://www.tvre.org/en/gyro-angled-torpedoes, the initial run is before starting a turn is somewhere between 9.5-15m, depending on the type of torpedo. Their turning radius differ too.

My hunch is they meant arming distance, at least I hope so!

Elphaba · 07-02-19, 06:36 PM

After multiple testing, I can confirm they run, repeatedly 235m before turning on a 45m radius turn onto the gyro angle.

I too believe the devs got confused on this and meant to alter the arming distance.

This is going to torpedo (pun intended) the run into the convoy between columns and hip shoot everything.

Onkel Neal · 07-02-19, 07:45 PM

The TDC takes the turn into account so as long as the shooting solution is accurate the shots will be as accurate as before.

derstosstrupp · 07-02-19, 07:59 PM

I’m a bit puzzled because I thought the turn occurred after 10 or so meters IRL. Why the decision to extend it? A very close range 60 to 90 deg angled shot is now likely going to be impossible now due to parallax.

derstosstrupp · 07-02-19, 09:21 PM

Piggybacking on Sharpshooter’s post - http://www.tvre.org/en/gyro-angled-torpedoes

“When the gyro angle is 90º the following torpedoes have an advance equal to:
G7a and G7e: 104,5 m”

So that forward movement is taking the turn radius into account, which at a 90 deg gyro angle is the maximum turn radius that will occur. Now, our in-game fish won’t even have TURNED until twice that whole distance, which has huge implications as far as angled attacks go. If I have a target passing me going bows opposite directions and I’m 300-400 meters off its track, I can’t shoot it, because the parallax caused by such a long pre-turn advance makes it physically impossible.

Is there a reason for this change? This eliminates or severely limits the use of historical tactics (such as running into the front of convoys and shooting close-range angled shots).

Onkel Neal · 07-03-19, 05:56 AM

Can you test that setup in the training mode ( so you can see the torpedo tracks)?

07-02-19, 03:39 PM	#1
Sharpshooter Herr Kaleun Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 21 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Wolfpack 0.18 Torpedo run before turn problem "Torpedo gyro is now activated after 200 meters." This feels... strange. Is it realistic? According to http://www.tvre.org/en/gyro-angled-torpedoes, the initial run before starting a turn is somewhere between 9.5-15m, depending on the type of torpedo. Their turning radius differ too. Last edited by Sharpshooter; 07-03-19 at 12:46 AM.

07-02-19, 07:45 PM	#4
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,283 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	The TDC takes the turn into account so as long as the shooting solution is accurate the shots will be as accurate as before. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web Last edited by Onkel Neal; 07-02-19 at 07:57 PM.

07-02-19, 07:59 PM	#5
derstosstrupp Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 883 Downloads: 489 Uploads: 0	I’m a bit puzzled because I thought the turn occurred after 10 or so meters IRL. Why the decision to extend it? A very close range 60 to 90 deg angled shot is now likely going to be impossible now due to parallax. __________________ Ask me anything about the Type VII or IX! One-Stop Targeting Shop: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...WwBt-1vjW28JbO My YT Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIJ...9FXbD3S2kgwdPQ Last edited by derstosstrupp; 07-02-19 at 09:00 PM.

07-02-19, 09:21 PM	#6
derstosstrupp Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 883 Downloads: 489 Uploads: 0	Piggybacking on Sharpshooter’s post - http://www.tvre.org/en/gyro-angled-torpedoes “When the gyro angle is 90º the following torpedoes have an advance equal to: G7a and G7e: 104,5 m” So that forward movement is taking the turn radius into account, which at a 90 deg gyro angle is the maximum turn radius that will occur. Now, our in-game fish won’t even have TURNED until twice that whole distance, which has huge implications as far as angled attacks go. If I have a target passing me going bows opposite directions and I’m 300-400 meters off its track, I can’t shoot it, because the parallax caused by such a long pre-turn advance makes it physically impossible. Is there a reason for this change? This eliminates or severely limits the use of historical tactics (such as running into the front of convoys and shooting close-range angled shots). __________________ Ask me anything about the Type VII or IX! One-Stop Targeting Shop: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...WwBt-1vjW28JbO My YT Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIJ...9FXbD3S2kgwdPQ

07-03-19, 05:56 AM	#7
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,283 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	Can you test that setup in the training mode ( so you can see the torpedo tracks)? __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

07-02-19, 06:36 PM	#3
Elphaba Neptune's daughter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 324 Downloads: 164 Uploads: 0	After multiple testing, I can confirm they run, repeatedly 235m before turning on a 45m radius turn onto the gyro angle. I too believe the devs got confused on this and meant to alter the arming distance. This is going to torpedo (pun intended) the run into the convoy between columns and hip shoot everything.