UK Politics Thread

[Jimbuna]

I don't envisage any serious threat to the Union atm but come post Brexit (should it happen at all) then people will make their own judgement depending on what the consequences are for each part of the Union.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

I am not sure if you worded this right

Trust me, I did!

[STEED]

The Conservatives memberships gives you your new Prime MinisterKing....

KING BOJO BUFFOON BORIS THE FIRST.

Meanwhile in the Labour Leadership Bunker they are rubbing their hands with glee hearing the news expert's and bookies now think there will be a general election before the end of the year.

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I don't envisage any serious threat to the Union atm but come post Brexit (should it happen at all) then people will make their own judgement depending on what the consequences are for each part of the Union.

Generally I agree, but if an IndyRef2 ever did came about I have a suspicion it'll be a repeat of 2014:

Yes - Sovereignty and the ability to make own decisions.

No - It's the economy, stupid.

The latter point will probably be the decider. All those polls that show a majority for yes in the event of a no-deal Brexit don't take into account the debate that would occur during any referendum campaign. That is where the No side will have the advantage. For example, depending on the size of the UK National Debt a hypothetical Scottish share would probably be prohibitively large to be economically sensible.

Therefore I suspect that, unless something extraordinary happens, we Scot's will vote with our wallets again and not our hearts.

We just have to face reality - we're easily bought.

Mike.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by STEED

The Conservatives memberships gives you your new Prime MinisterKing....

KING BOJO BUFFOON BORIS THE FIRST.

Meanwhile in the Labour Leadership Bunker they are rubbing their hands with glee hearing the news expert's and bookies now think there will be a general election before the end of the year.

There is nothing legally that can be done to stop Boris achieving Brexit.

The only route left for Tory remainers would be to withdraw themselves from the whip and support a vote of no confidence in the government thereby bringing about a general election which in turn will put every parliamentary seat at risk.

Whether or not the remainers are willing to risk all is open to individual opinion but somehow I personally doubt that will happen.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by MGR1

We just have to face reality - we're easily bought.

Aren't we all?

[Bilge_Rat]

Having Johnson as PM makes everything clearer. Either he will push Brexit through or there will be a 2nd referendum.

In or out, a decision has to be made.

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Aren't we all?

True, money rules.

Mike.

[Skybird]

Johnson implied he knows how to walk over water.



It would be better for him he skips that plan and instead knows where the stepstones lie. Else his first 100 days could very well be his last. As a German commentator wrote today: from tomorrow on he will start to break promises. Well, very likely he will, since he cannot please the Brexit hardliners and the EU-friends in his party at the same time. Not to mention the public's diverse opinion camps.

[ikalugin]

I think that no-deal leave would be the best option for UK now.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Johnson implied he knows how to walk over water.



It would be better for him he skips that plan and instead knows where the stepstones lie. Else his first 100 days could very well be his last. As a German commentator wrote today: from tomorrow on he will start to break promises. Well, very likely he will, since he cannot please the Brexit hardliners and the EU-friends in his party at the same time. Not to mention the public's diverse opinion camps.

If he doesn't deliver Brexit on 31st October I suspect his tenure in Downing St. will be short lived.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

If he doesn't deliver Brexit on 31st October I suspect his tenure in Downing St. will be short lived.

The stubbornly impertinent question here is whether or not a Brexit based on the EU deal "as is" and including the Backstop, qualifies for the description of a Brexit or not.



Johnson promised some people the left, while he promsied others the right, and he promsied some the forward while he promsied others the backwards, only to get all their support. He now must either sit still where he is and would thus break ALL promises he made, or he must break some promises the moment he makes his first step at whatever direction.

[STEED]

Boris will loose his rag with Parliament and the EU and plunge this country is to a nightmare scenario.

It will be a blood bath in Parliament when they come back from their summer break.

[mapuc]

May your new Ruler spread wisdom and happiness among you his minions

And

May your Ruler be proud of you

Markus

[STEED]

Originally Posted by mapuc

May your new Ruler spread wisdom and happiness among you his minions

And

May your Ruler be proud of you

Markus

Fat chance, better start stocking up on baked beans.

Here is one person who will be eating his own words from Sept 12th 2018.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...prime-minister