WWII Pacific Submarine Warfare Reality

YellowFin · 07-25-19, 12:08 PM

I'm pretty sure it's already posted somewhere, but just to make sure everyone knows about this:

https://www.hnsa.org/manuals-documents/

At the bottom of the page, under a wealth of other tactical and technical information you can find all submarine war patrol reports of US WWII submarines.

Other sites make you pay, this one offers it for everyone to read at no cost.

These war patrol reports are the equivalent of the Kriegstagebücher for German WWII submarines. They offer a lot of insight into the tactics, challenges (there were many) and psychology of the crew and officers involved.

cdrsubron7 · 07-25-19, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by YellowFin

I'm pretty sure it's already posted somewhere, but just to make sure everyone knows about this:

https://www.hnsa.org/manuals-documents/

At the bottom of the page, under a wealth of other tactical and technical information you can find all submarine war patrol reports of US WWII submarines.

Other sites make you pay, this one offers it for everyone to read at no cost.

These war patrol reports are the equivalent of the Kriegstagebücher for German WWII submarines. They offer a lot of insight into the tactics, challenges (there were many) and psychology of the crew and officers involved.

Nice find, Yellowfin. I've bookmarked it for future study.

propbeanie · 07-25-19, 05:12 PM

The link for the Patrol Reports on their site uses a better reader app than the ones from the Pampanito's site. I found the link for those a few months ago on the HNSA site, but your link has more cool links on it, which is a very nice, useable find! Thank you!

YellowFin · 07-25-19, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

The link for the Patrol Reports on their site uses a better reader app than the ones from the Pampanito's site. I found the link for those a few months ago on the HNSA site, but your link has more cool links on it, which is a very nice, useable find! Thank you!

Unfortunately I only found "rip offs", where they wanted you to subscribe to an app for 9 dollars a month or where a museum bragged about having gotten a DVD full of these reports, but not actually sharing them. I almost felt like on christmas eve when I found the HNSA repository.

As far as I understand these documents were made available under the FOIA and are a public good, at least for US tax payers. As a non US taxpayer I can only promise to fight for my country to make its historically valuable documents publicly available as well.

propbeanie · 07-25-19, 08:47 PM

Those "pop-ups" from the Pampanito site are just that, pop-ups. The vendor hopes that you'll think you have to subscribe, but you don't. You just click on the background, or on the close button (which has very little contrast), and get to browsing through the file. A little while later, that same pop-up will show up, but again, just go around it. However, if you're looking at the page, and can't see the text - let's say they've used the same carbon paper for twenty-two pages now, and the text is getting really weak, and you wonder, "Is that 'Roi-Nor', or 'Bot-Mon'???"... so you hit the "zoom" button, or full-screen, or any one of a number of page definition changes, and that shtinking reader takes you back to page one of the file... Not cool if you're on Patrol 10.

The HNSA site vendor has a better implementation, and is the one I go to for my research (usually). They both seem to have slight differences in the files, which I don't understand, since they're from microfiche copies of the reports, and while some are out of sequence (pages stuck to each other or whatever) from the scanning process, I don't understand how the one vendor is missing two pages in theirs, while the other isn't... ?? Oh well. The HNSA version is much easier to use.

07-27-19, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YellowFin

I'm pretty sure it's already posted somewhere, but just to make sure everyone knows about this:

https://www.hnsa.org/manuals-documents/

At the bottom of the page, under a wealth of other tactical and technical information you can find all submarine war patrol reports of US WWII submarines.

Other sites make you pay, this one offers it for everyone to read at no cost.

These war patrol reports are the equivalent of the Kriegstagebücher for German WWII submarines. They offer a lot of insight into the tactics, challenges (there were many) and psychology of the crew and officers involved.

you seem to be a realism buff so i wanted to mention something we all learn when trying to get more realism through mods.

the game files are a hodge podge of files that work and dont work, some will give the desired changes in game when you change values and some do nothing at all clearly indicating some files arent even being used for what they are named for.

just keep in mind its very very frustrating as you find some things just cant or wont let you make the changes that you want to fix some unrealistic stuff in the game. most of my modding endeavors were striving for realism in one form or the other and its very frustrating to say the least so i wanted you to be aware of that as you start modding the game

07-25-19, 12:08 PM	#1
YellowFin Engineer Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 208 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	WWII Pacific Submarine Warfare Reality I'm pretty sure it's already posted somewhere, but just to make sure everyone knows about this: https://www.hnsa.org/manuals-documents/ At the bottom of the page, under a wealth of other tactical and technical information you can find all submarine war patrol reports of US WWII submarines. Other sites make you pay, this one offers it for everyone to read at no cost. These war patrol reports are the equivalent of the Kriegstagebücher for German WWII submarines. They offer a lot of insight into the tactics, challenges (there were many) and psychology of the crew and officers involved.

07-25-19, 05:12 PM	#3
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,735 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	The link for the Patrol Reports on their site uses a better reader app than the ones from the Pampanito's site. I found the link for those a few months ago on the HNSA site, but your link has more cool links on it, which is a very nice, useable find! Thank you! __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

07-25-19, 08:47 PM	#5
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,735 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	Those "pop-ups" from the Pampanito site are just that, pop-ups. The vendor hopes that you'll think you have to subscribe, but you don't. You just click on the background, or on the close button (which has very little contrast), and get to browsing through the file. A little while later, that same pop-up will show up, but again, just go around it. However, if you're looking at the page, and can't see the text - let's say they've used the same carbon paper for twenty-two pages now, and the text is getting really weak, and you wonder, "Is that 'Roi-Nor', or 'Bot-Mon'???"... so you hit the "zoom" button, or full-screen, or any one of a number of page definition changes, and that shtinking reader takes you back to page one of the file... Not cool if you're on Patrol 10. The HNSA site vendor has a better implementation, and is the one I go to for my research (usually). They both seem to have slight differences in the files, which I don't understand, since they're from microfiche copies of the reports, and while some are out of sequence (pages stuck to each other or whatever) from the scanning process, I don't understand how the one vendor is missing two pages in theirs, while the other isn't... ?? Oh well. The HNSA version is much easier to use. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna