Ship Identified TALTHYBIUS Cargo Ship

[shadow_wxh]

Ever wonder all those nameless generic ship roaming around your SH3 champain map:
Where they all came from?
Are they modelled after real ships?
Do they have a proper name?
Are they showing up at the right place at right time?
Are they assigned to the right country?

Here is a start



Ship Identified TALTHYBIUS Cargo Ship

It was named
KLCS=Heavy Merchant











Talthybius was a 10,224 GRT Cargo liner that was built in 1911 by Scotts Shipbuilding & Engineering Co Ltd, Greenock, Renfrewshire, United Kingdom for a British shipping line. She was sunk at Singapore in an air raid in 1942. Salvaged by the Japanese, she was renamed Taruyasu Maru, serving with the Imperial Japanese Navy until 1945 when she either struck a mine off Sado Island and sank or was sunk in an attack by aircraft of Task Force 38. She was salvaged by the British, passed to the Ministry of War Transport (MoWT) and renamed Empire Evenlode. She served until 1949, when she was scrapped.

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Here is another guy
KQS=Small Merchant

It seems it is used by norweigin only but may some captured by Germans ans borrowed by British

[VonDos]

Hi mate, and thanks for your interesting research work!
If this can help you, times ago i've found the "real" SH3 NPPL_ passenger ship.

I think she's (postwar) Chandris Line's Britanis (former Monterey\Matsonia):







Best regards,
Vd

[shadow_wxh]

Antoher Bad boy here
It could be listed as

ATF=Fleet Ocean Tug Boat
ATR=Armed Trawler









The Cherokee class of fleet tugboats, originally known as the Navajo class, were built for the United States Navy prior to the start of World War II.[2] They represented a radical departure from previous ocean-going tug designs, and were far more capable of extended open ocean travel than their predecessors. This was due in large part to their 205 feet (62 m) length, 38 feet (12 m) beam, and substantial fuel-carrying capacity. They were also the first large surface vessels in the United States Navy to be equipped with Diesel-electric drive.[2]

The first three vessels, Navajo, Seminole and Cherokee, were constructed from 1938 to 1940 at the Staten Island Shipyard division of Bethlehem Steel Corporation. Navajo and Seminole joined the Pacific fleet in 1940, and Cherokee went to the Atlantic fleet. Navajo was en route to San Diego from Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941, and immediately reversed course to Pearl Harbor once news broke of the Japanese attack. She became a critical element of salvage operations there, as did her sister ship Seminole, in the days following the attack.

[shadow_wxh]

KSSJ = Old Cargo Steamer













This class consists of KACHOSAN, KASAGISAN, KASUGASAN and KATSURAGISAN MARUs completed between Feb and Jul ’25 for Mitsui Bussan K.K. KACHOSAN and KATSURAGISAN MARUs were requisitioned by the IJA, KASAGISAN MARU by the IJN in ’41 and converted to an auxiliary transport. Those three ships were sunk in ’44 and ’45 from various causes. KASUGASAN MARU survived the war and was broken up in ’65.

Builder and Year Completed: Tama. Mitsui Bussan Zosensho, 1925
Gross tonnage: 2,427-tons Dimensions: 284.1' Lpp x 42.0' x 23.3' Propulsion: One reciprocating triple expansion steam engine, 1 shaft, 1,200 n.h.p. Speed: 10 cruising, 12 max. Armament: Various depending usage.


Personal Optinion:Because this ship small tonnage and basic MFM configuration this type of design can be applied by almost any ship builder and they only differs in finer details eg. ventilators, cables, hull shape,superstructure details.And there are evidence suggest Japan ship builder does copy design from european ships so this class can be classifed as generic cargo ship.

[shadow_wxh]

LCMAL = Naval Artillery Barge
or
LCMFL = Naval Flak Barge















With a length of nearly 35 meters, the Marine Artillerie Leichter (MAL) were the smallest landing craft in Kriegsmarine services. Designed after the requirements of the German Army, those small vehicles should be used during Operation Barbarossa, the attack on the Soviet Union. Their projected operational area was the Caspian Sea where the MAL should be used to attack Soviet oil transports from Baku to Astrakhan. Therefore the MAL must have been able to be transported by land which was impossible with the bigger MNL or AFPs.


Notes: There were 160 of these ordered around 46 actually commisioned.All after 1943 May and most around D-day so most of them dont have a very long life span.3 sub type I,IA,II.It seems the model is after a II type but did not model very correctly(but I could be wrong).In the archive it shows a split bottom level structure then a bridged top level stucture.I couldn't find a separate flak model so I guess they are the same thing.

[shadow_wxh]

LPL = Large old Liner






















In 1925 Blue Star ordered a set of new liners for its new London – Rio de Janeiro – Buenos Aires route. Cammell Laird of Birkenhead built three sister ships: Almeda, Andalucia and Arandora. John Brown & Company of Clydebank built two: Avelona and Avila. Together the quintet came to be called the "luxury five".[1]
Cammell Laird launched Arandora on 4 January 1927 and completed her in May.[2] As originally built she measured 12,847 gross register tons (GRT), was 512.2 feet (156.1 m) long, had a beam of 68.3 feet (20.8 m) and accommodated 164 first class passengers. She had a service speed of 16 knots (30 km/h). A major refit in 1929 reduced her cargo space and increased her passenger accommodation to turn her into a cruise ship.



Notes: All five ship under go refiiting around 1935 with length and tonnage increased extra mast and kingpost removed and they come out with different top structure arrangement as well as hull shapes.All five ships were lost due to German U-Boat.

This model seems after Arandora Star after refitting was done however the dimension is not long enough and a bit too fat but still within tolerable range.

[shadow_wxh]

KSS=Small Costal Merchant





Prabably one of the most common merchant in SH3.Couldn't match this in any ship building database.Imaginary unit?

[shadow_wxh]

This one here


NACG , NACG_early NACG_late = Cargo Steamer




I think this one exist in most people's ship library however couldn't find any reference to it.


There is a map on the ship navigator table shows some kind of inland location don't where it is.



Anyway ship size of this needs to have a proper reference otherwise have to kick out of the fleet.

[shadow_wxh]

This Unit

NAMD = Support Ship
Roster to German Only and Classified as Type12= Minelayers
Author Unknown - can someone points out who made this ship originally please.






Has been Identified as EHRENFELS Class Cargo Ship build by Deutsche Schiff- und Maschinenbau A.-G. Plant AG "Weser" from 1936 to 1940 has 9 sister ships in total





EHRENFELS (5) 1936-1943






REICHENFELS (2) 1936-1942




KANDELFELS's Drawing





KANDELFELS and KYBFELS's Building order at Deschimag A.G. Weser as it is show in Yard Nb 917 and 918



Summary of all 9 ships
Name Start Militrary Service End Length Width Draft GRT

EHRENFELS 1936/2/23 1939/09/01 Interned at India 1943/03/09 Sunk by british Commandos 154.4 18.68 8.27 7752

REICHENFELS 1936/4/24 1939/01/01 Support Ship 1942/6/21 Sunk by aircraft bomb 154.4 18.68 8.27 7744

KANDELFELS 1937/2/10 1940/02/06 HSK-5 Pinguin 1941/05/08 Sunk by HMS Cornwall in the Indian Ocean 155 18.7 8.7 7766

KYBFELS 1937/3/24 1940/10/22 Troop Transporter 1941/05/21 Ran into a mine in lonian sea 154.4 18.68 8.36 7764

GOLDENFELS 1938/1/27 1939/12/19 HSK2 Atlantis 1941/11/22 Sunk by HMS Devonshire 155.47 18.69 8.26 7,862

HOHENFELS 1938/5/21 1939/9/1 Interned at Iran 1941/08/25 Scuttled then Salvaged by British,Then became Emire Kamal 155.47 18.68 8.25 7862

TANNENFELS 1938/11/6 1940/01 submarine supply ship 1944/08/25 sunk by the crew as a block ship near Bordeaux-Bassens 155.47 18.69 8.26 7840

NEIDENFELS 1939/3/18 1940/07/03 Troop Transporter 1945/05/08 confiscated by British and became Empire Dee 155.63 18.65 8.32 7838

MOLTKEFELS 1940/2/29 1940/3/8 Troop Transporter 1945/04/11 Attacked by Soviet plane and burned out in East Prussia 155.47 18.67 8.58 7863



EMPIRE Kamal 1941/8/25 British Ministry of War Transport 1944 allocate to Dutch government,then renamed Van Ruisdael


Van Ruisdael 1944/1/1 Dutch Government/Company 1962/09 Scraped at Hong Kong

Empire Dee 1945/5/8 British Ministry of War Transport 1946/05/06 Pass on to the USSR



They Serve as Cargo Ship,Sub refuler,Troop Transporter,Mine Layer.What stands out is that Kandelfels later became the famous HSK-5 pinguin who sank or captured 28 ships with a total of 136,642 gross register tons in 357 days at sea,including capture a majority part of Norweigin whaleing fleet whale factory ship S.S Ole Wegger, S.S. Solglimt, S.S.Pelagos. Goldenfels later became merchant raider HSK-2 Atlantis which is also very fruitful.


Thing to Notice: The model features a 2 by 2 derick&mast mounting the real one shows a 1 by 4 mounting.I searched other similar models see if there is a 2 by 2 derick&mast design couldn't find one.Dimensionwise the model and the ship match 99% so this has to be the ship.
Suggest reclassified this model as auxilary cruiser with two loadout transport and merchant raider.When use as transport apply default configuration when use as merchant raider put guns on and take extra kingposts off.Also change the mast&derick set to 1 by 4 and some minor details.Any ship modeller want to get this job done?

[iambecomelife]

Originally Posted by shadow_wxh

Ever wonder all those nameless generic ship roaming around your SH3 champain map:
Where they all came from?
Are they modelled after real ships?
Do they have a proper name?
Are they showing up at the right place at right time?
Are they assigned to the right country?

Here is a start



Ship Identified TALTHYBIUS Cargo Ship

It was named
KLCS=Heavy Merchant











Talthybius was a 10,224 GRT Cargo liner that was built in 1911 by Scotts Shipbuilding & Engineering Co Ltd, Greenock, Renfrewshire, United Kingdom for a British shipping line. She was sunk at Singapore in an air raid in 1942. Salvaged by the Japanese, she was renamed Taruyasu Maru, serving with the Imperial Japanese Navy until 1945 when she either struck a mine off Sado Island and sank or was sunk in an attack by aircraft of Task Force 38. She was salvaged by the British, passed to the Ministry of War Transport (MoWT) and renamed Empire Evenlode. She served until 1949, when she was scrapped.

Good observation! When I made that model I was actually inspired by the freighter "Cyclops" (NOT USS Cyclops) but the civilian, British ship sunk in 1942. Cyclops and Talthybius may have been sisters - they were both large cargo ships owned by the same company (A. Holt/Blue Funnel Line), and had many similar features with crane design & superstructure shape.

[shadow_wxh]

Originally Posted by iambecomelife

Good observation! When I made that model I was actually inspired by the freighter "Cyclops" (NOT USS Cyclops) but the civilian, British ship sunk in 1942. Cyclops and Talthybius may have been sisters - they were both large cargo ships owned by the same company (A. Holt/Blue Funnel Line), and had many similar features with crane design & superstructure shape.

I tracked down 6 ships of similar design. There could be more though merchant are not as easy to track as navy ships


[Unit 1]
Name=SS ACHILLES
DOC=19200528
DOD=19480316

[Unit 2]
Name=SS TALTHYBIUS
DOC=19111228
DOD=19420212;Scuttled then raised by Japanese

[Unit 3]
Name=SS TYNDAREUS
DOC=19161011
DOD=19600909

[Unit 4]
Name=SS IXION
DOC=19121206
DOD=19410508

[Unit 5]
Name=SS PHILOCTETES
DOC=19220808
DOD=19481121

[Unit 6]
Name=SS CYCLOPS
DOC=19060623
DOD=19420111

[Unit 7]
Name=SS TITAN
DOC=19061113
DOD=19400904


All British

First 5 build by Scotts' Shipbuilding & Engineering Co. Ltd., Greenock
Last 2 build by D & W Henderson & Co., Glasgow


The difference SS TALTHYBIUS is longer and heavier and have cross beam at 2nd pair of kingpsot,SS CYCLOPS dont have it.The difference is quiet significant So they are not sister ships but they do resemble each other a lot.

[Anvar1061]

Combined oiler and supply ship Nordmark
Class and type: Dithmarschen
Name: Nordmark
Builder: Schichau-Werke, Danzig
Laid down: 14 November 1936
Launched: 5 October 1937 as Westerwald
Commissioned: 6 January 1939 as Nordmark
Fate: Captured, May 1945


Besides the use of former civil tankers, a class of specialized supply ships, the Dithmarschen class was build for this task. Although nine ships were ordered, only five were commissioned (Dithmarschen, Nordmark, Uckermark (ex Altmark), Franken and Ermland). They were able to supply warships with fuel, ammunition, supplies and spare parts, in addition they were also equipped with towing equipment to support damaged Kriegsmarine ships. Their payload capacity was 7933 t fuel, 972t ammunition, 790t supplies and 100t spare parts.


[UnitClass]
ClassName=NFAD
UnitType=100
AppearanceDate=19380101
DisappearanceDate=19451231
DisplayName=Dithmarschen Supply Ship

[Unit 1]
Name=Dithmarschen
DOC=19380720
DOD=19451231

[Unit 2]
Name=Westerwald
DOC=19390116
DOD=19391024

[Unit 3]
Name=Nordmark
DOC=19391025
DOD=19451231

[Unit 4]
Name=Altmark
DOC=19381114
DOD=19400813

[Unit 5]
Name=Uckermark
DOC=19400814
DOD=19421130

[Unit 6]
Name=Franken
DOC=19430317
DOD=19450408

[Unit 7]
Name=Ermland
DOC=19400902
DOD=19430923

[shadow_wxh]

Originally Posted by Anvar1061

Combined oiler and supply ship Nordmark
Class and type: Dithmarschen
Name: Nordmark
Builder: Schichau-Werke, Danzig
Laid down: 14 November 1936
Launched: 5 October 1937 as Westerwald
Commissioned: 6 January 1939 as Nordmark
Fate: Captured, May 1945

Looks like a T2 tanker to me any noticable difference?

[shadow_wxh]

SH3 Stock ship model

HSL = Hositipal Ship
and
AMC or AXC= British Armed Merchant Cruiser








IS Identified as ESPERANCE BAY Passenger Ship 3 Ships in total serves between Australia and Britain before the war all converted to AMC after the ware started.



ESPERANCE BAY







MORETON BAY




JERVIS BAY



Name Date completed War Service Fate

Builder Length Breadth Depth Draft Tonnage

JERVIS BAY 01/09/1922 01/08/1939 Admiralty requisition - armed merchant cruiser 05/11/1940 sunk by gunfire from German cruiser ADMIRAL HIPPER

Vickers Ltd., Barrow-in-Furness 530.6 ft 68.3 ft 39.9 ft 13839 Ton




ESPERANCE BAY 16/02/1922 01/ 09/1939 - 1941 Admiralty requisition - armed merchant cruiser 06/07/1955 arrived at Faslane for breaking by Shipbreaking Industries Ltd.
Vickers Ltd., Barrow-in-Furness 530.6 ft 68.3 ft 39.9 ft 13837 Ton


MORETON BAY 18/11/1921 01/08/1939 - 09/1941 Admiralty requisition - armed merchant cruiser 13/04/1957 arrived at Barrow for breaking by T. W. Ward Ltd.

Vickers Ltd., Barrow-in-Furness 530.6 ft 68.3 ft 39.9 ft 13850 Ton



Notes: There were about 60 AMCs served Royal Navay during WWII 5~6 distinguishable group of ships plus few individules.This ship also resembles those Cunard A-Class ship a lot but closely compare I am confident It is the Bay Class ship it was after.Bay Class ship features a longer forward deck area.The different from the model and the ship photo is that the forward and afterward dericks which is attached to the ventilator is removed but this could be true when the ships were converted to AMCs.


There is no indication that any fo these ships was served as hospital ship.However because of the MFM design was so common it's still under revision whether using this model as a hospital ship is approperite.