The CHN/ China thread - Page 29

Rockstar · 03-07-23, 02:28 PM

Skybird · 03-07-23, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Reported as being dwarfed by the US which is four times greater though.

The Chinese playgorund is muczh smaller still than th eamerican. And the Chinese budget reported is only the official. You can safely assume that the real budget is MUCH bigger.

As with Corona case numbers reported from China.

Skybird · 03-07-23, 02:49 PM

How China controls its top students in Germany
Chinese students with scholarships are bound by contracts with gagging clauses, but that contravenes the academic freedom guaranteed by Germany's constitution.
https://www.dw.com/en/how-china-cont...any/a-64901849

Is that so? I tell you what, Germany: we should not allow any students from China at all anymore. Why do we educate our enemy?

BTW, the German government today has announced that all IT network and mobile network providers must check their old hardware provided by Chinese manufacturers like Huawei and others - for the same reasons why many other countries already have banned these companies from providing hardware for critical communication and IT networks.

Jimbuna · 03-08-23, 07:37 AM

Conflict with China is inevitable unless the U.S. changes course, Beijing's new foreign minister warns

BEIJING — The U.S. and China are hurtling toward inevitable “confrontation and conflict” unless Washington changes course, Beijing’s new foreign minister warned Tuesday.

Chinese Foreign Minister Qin Gang’s fiery comments underlined the deepening tensions between the world’s two largest economies in the wake of the surveillance balloon saga and Russia’s war in Ukraine.

They echoed similarly sharp remarks Monday by China’s leader, Xi Jinping, blaming U.S. efforts to contain China for deteriorating relations and suggesting Beijing would increasingly seek to push back.

Qin spoke at a news conference in Beijing, his first since he took office in December, on the sidelines of the annual meeting of China’s rubber-stamp legislature, where Xi is expected to complete the biggest government reshuffle in a decade.

In a wide-ranging rebuke of U.S. policies, Qin — who until recently was the Chinese ambassador to the U.S. — questioned President Joe Biden’s assertion that the U.S. seeks competition with China but not conflict.

“In fact, the U.S. side’s so-called competition is all-round containment and suppression, a zero-sum game,” he said, suggesting conflict may be unavoidable unless Washington stops trying to suppress Beijing.

“The U.S. side supposedly wants to put ‘guardrails’ on Sino-U.S. relations and not to clash,” Qin continued. “In fact, it wants China not to respond in words or action when slandered or attacked. That is just impossible.

“If the U.S. side does not put on the brakes and continues down the wrong path, no amount of guardrails can stop the derailment and rollover into confrontation and conflict,” he said.

In a speech to political delegates Monday, Xi also accused the U.S. of trying to fence China in.

“Western countries led by the United States have implemented all-round containment, encirclement and suppression of China, which has brought unprecedented severe challenges to our country’s development,” he said, according to Xinhua, China’s state-run news agency.

Qin also criticized Washington’s decision early last month to shoot down a suspected Chinese spy balloon off South Carolina, repeating Beijing’s insistence that it appeared over U.S. territory by accident.

“The U.S. side violated the spirit of international law and international practice by making presumptions of guilt, overreacting, abusing force and making use of the issue to create a diplomatic crisis that could have been avoided,” he said.

Of Taiwan, the self-ruling island that Beijing claims as its territory, Qin said it was the first red line in China’s relations with the U.S., which is Taiwan’s most important international backer.

“The U.S. bears unshirkable responsibility for the creation of the Taiwan issue,” he said.

Qin said the U.S. had disrespected China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity by providing defensive weapons to the island, which Beijing has said it could take by force if necessary.

He also denied U.S. allegations that China is considering providing Moscow with ammunition and artillery to aid its fight against Ukraine.

The U.S. has warned China not to supply arms to Russia for its war. China and Russia declared a “no limits” partnership weeks before Russia invaded Ukraine a year ago, and China has tried to appear neutral in the conflict, refraining from condemning Russian aggression or even calling it an invasion.

Qin said Tuesday that China-Russia relations “must move steadily forward” as the world becomes more turbulent.

“China is neither the creator of the crisis nor a party to it, nor has it provided weapons to any party to the conflict, so why should China be blamed, sanctioned, pressured or even threatened?” Qin said.

He repeated calls for a negotiated solution to the Ukraine conflict. Western officials quickly dismissed a 12-point peace proposal that Beijing issued last month as too favourable to Russia.

“It is regrettable that efforts to persuade and promote talks have been undermined,” Qin said, “as if an invisible hand is pushing the conflict to escalate, taking advantage of the Ukrainian crisis to achieve certain geopolitical intentions.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/c...arns-rcna73705

Jimbuna · 03-09-23, 08:36 AM

China's Xi calls for 'more quickly elevating' armed forces

BEIJING (AP) — China’s leader Xi Jinping has called for “more quickly elevating the armed forces to world-class standards,” in a speech just days after a top diplomat warned of the growing possibility of conflict with the U.S. unless Washington changes course.

China must maximize its “national strategic capabilities” in a bid to “systematically upgrade the country’s overall strength to cope with strategic risks, safeguard strategic interests and realize strategic objectives,” Xi said Wednesday.

His remarks to delegates in the ceremonial parliament representing the People's Liberation Army, the military wing of the ruling Communist Party, and the paramilitary People's Armed Police, were carried by the official Xinhua News Agency.

Xi issued a series of calls to accelerate the build-up of self-reliance in science and technology, bolster strategic capabilities in emergency fields, make industrial and supply chains more resilient and make national reserves “more capable of safeguarding national security.”

The program laid out by Xi dovetails with a number of national strategies already underway, including the “Made in China 2025” campaign to make China dominant in 10 key fields from integrated circuits to aerospace, and a decades-old campaign for civilian-military integration in the economy.

Xi also mentioned the need for “achieving the goals for the centenary of the PLA in 2027,” a date by which, according to some U.S. observers, China intends to have the capability of conquering self-governing Taiwan, an American ally, by military means.

China has defined the centenary goals in mostly vague terms, such as greater "informatization" and raising the PLA to “world-class standards."

China needs to build “a strong system of strategic deterrent forces, raise the presence of combat forces in new domains and of new qualities, and deeply promote combat-oriented military training,” according to a speech Xi gave last year.

On Tuesday, Foreign Minister Qin Gang had warned in unusually stark terms about the possibility of U.S.-China frictions leading to something more dire.

“If the United States does not hit the brake, but continues to speed down the wrong path, no amount of guardrails can prevent derailing and there surely will be conflict and confrontation,” Qin said in his first news conference since taking up his post last year.

“Such competition is a reckless gamble, with the stakes being the fundamental interests of the two peoples and even the future of humanity,” he added.

That echoed remarks made by Xi on Monday to delegates that seemed to underscore Chinese frustration with U.S. restrictions on access to technology and its support for Taiwan and regional military blocs in unusually blunt terms.

“Western countries led by the United States have implemented all-round containment, encirclement and suppression of China, which has brought unprecedented grave challenges to our nation’s development,” Xi was quoted as saying by the official Xinhua News Agency.

A State Department spokesperson, Ned Price, responded by saying Washington wants to “coexist responsibly” within the global trade and political system and has no intention of suppressing China.

“This is not about containing China. This is not about suppressing China. This is not about holding China back,” Price said in Washington. “We want to have that constructive competition that is fair” and “doesn’t veer into that conflict.”

Meanwhile on Wednesday, Gen. Laura J. Richardson, Commander of the U.S. Southern Command, which is responsible for South America and the Caribbean, testified before the House Armed Services Committee that China and Russia were “malign actors" that are “aggressively exerting influence over our democratic neighbors.”

China is “spreading its malign influence, wielding its economic might, and conducting gray zone activities to expand its military and political access and influence,” Richardson said.

“This is a strategic risk that we can’t accept or ignore," she added.

Among other activities, China has built a massive embassy in the Bahamas, just 80 kilometers (50 miles) off the coast of Florida.

“Presence and proximity absolutely matter, and a stable and secure Western Hemisphere is critical to homeland defense,” Richardson said.

On Thursday, Beijing's Foreign Ministry dismissed U.S. questions and criticisms of Chinese intentions as an attempt to “make excuses for its military expansion and pursuit of hegemony."

“Before criticizing and blaming other countries, the U.S., as the only military superpower armed to the teeth, should reflect on what it can and should do,” spokesperson Mao Ning said at a daily briefing.

In a nod to a China-U.S. relationship that has sunk to its lowest level in decades, she said Washington "should meet China halfway and push China-U.S. relations back on the track of sound and stable development, which is beneficial to both countries and the world.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/us/ch...84bc6687&ei=27

Jimbuna · 03-10-23, 07:36 AM

Skybird · 03-10-23, 10:38 AM

Hypothetical, but still impressively close to reality - most likely.

Jimbuna · 03-12-23, 07:01 AM

Catfish · 03-12-23, 03:11 PM

^ wth lol

Jimbuna · 03-17-23, 06:59 AM

I wonder which one will dare take a sip from the cups on the table

Quote:

China's President Xi Jinping will travel to Moscow next week to hold talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, officials say.

The Kremlin said they would discuss a "comprehensive partnership and strategic co-operation".

The visit comes as Beijing, an ally of Russia, has offered proposals to end the war in Ukraine, to which the West has given a lukewarm reception.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64986486

Jimbuna · 03-18-23, 02:18 PM

mapuc · 03-23-23, 02:51 AM

China claim they have chased an American vessel away from their waters. USA denies this.

I think in this case China is right..Not meaning they did chase this American vessel away No

It means that the commander on this vessel had so much common sense to not start a fight/war with this vessel/China

He knew that this was not the place nor the time.

As some military strategy once said
"Choose your fight and chose where.

Markus

Jimbuna · 03-23-23, 07:49 AM

Rockstar · 03-23-23, 05:03 PM

Jimbuna · 03-24-23, 07:36 AM

03-07-23, 02:28 PM	#421
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,811 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	__________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

03-07-23, 02:49 PM	#423
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,456 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	How China controls its top students in Germany Chinese students with scholarships are bound by contracts with gagging clauses, but that contravenes the academic freedom guaranteed by Germany's constitution. https://www.dw.com/en/how-china-cont...any/a-64901849 Is that so? I tell you what, Germany: we should not allow any students from China at all anymore. Why do we educate our enemy? BTW, the German government today has announced that all IT network and mobile network providers must check their old hardware provided by Chinese manufacturers like Huawei and others - for the same reasons why many other countries already have banned these companies from providing hardware for critical communication and IT networks. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-08-23, 07:37 AM	#424
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 180,934 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Conflict with China is inevitable unless the U.S. changes course, Beijing's new foreign minister warns BEIJING — The U.S. and China are hurtling toward inevitable “confrontation and conflict” unless Washington changes course, Beijing’s new foreign minister warned Tuesday. Chinese Foreign Minister Qin Gang’s fiery comments underlined the deepening tensions between the world’s two largest economies in the wake of the surveillance balloon saga and Russia’s war in Ukraine. They echoed similarly sharp remarks Monday by China’s leader, Xi Jinping, blaming U.S. efforts to contain China for deteriorating relations and suggesting Beijing would increasingly seek to push back. Qin spoke at a news conference in Beijing, his first since he took office in December, on the sidelines of the annual meeting of China’s rubber-stamp legislature, where Xi is expected to complete the biggest government reshuffle in a decade. In a wide-ranging rebuke of U.S. policies, Qin — who until recently was the Chinese ambassador to the U.S. — questioned President Joe Biden’s assertion that the U.S. seeks competition with China but not conflict. “In fact, the U.S. side’s so-called competition is all-round containment and suppression, a zero-sum game,” he said, suggesting conflict may be unavoidable unless Washington stops trying to suppress Beijing. “The U.S. side supposedly wants to put ‘guardrails’ on Sino-U.S. relations and not to clash,” Qin continued. “In fact, it wants China not to respond in words or action when slandered or attacked. That is just impossible. “If the U.S. side does not put on the brakes and continues down the wrong path, no amount of guardrails can stop the derailment and rollover into confrontation and conflict,” he said. In a speech to political delegates Monday, Xi also accused the U.S. of trying to fence China in. “Western countries led by the United States have implemented all-round containment, encirclement and suppression of China, which has brought unprecedented severe challenges to our country’s development,” he said, according to Xinhua, China’s state-run news agency. Qin also criticized Washington’s decision early last month to shoot down a suspected Chinese spy balloon off South Carolina, repeating Beijing’s insistence that it appeared over U.S. territory by accident. “The U.S. side violated the spirit of international law and international practice by making presumptions of guilt, overreacting, abusing force and making use of the issue to create a diplomatic crisis that could have been avoided,” he said. Of Taiwan, the self-ruling island that Beijing claims as its territory, Qin said it was the first red line in China’s relations with the U.S., which is Taiwan’s most important international backer. “The U.S. bears unshirkable responsibility for the creation of the Taiwan issue,” he said. Qin said the U.S. had disrespected China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity by providing defensive weapons to the island, which Beijing has said it could take by force if necessary. He also denied U.S. allegations that China is considering providing Moscow with ammunition and artillery to aid its fight against Ukraine. The U.S. has warned China not to supply arms to Russia for its war. China and Russia declared a “no limits” partnership weeks before Russia invaded Ukraine a year ago, and China has tried to appear neutral in the conflict, refraining from condemning Russian aggression or even calling it an invasion. Qin said Tuesday that China-Russia relations “must move steadily forward” as the world becomes more turbulent. “China is neither the creator of the crisis nor a party to it, nor has it provided weapons to any party to the conflict, so why should China be blamed, sanctioned, pressured or even threatened?” Qin said. He repeated calls for a negotiated solution to the Ukraine conflict. Western officials quickly dismissed a 12-point peace proposal that Beijing issued last month as too favourable to Russia. “It is regrettable that efforts to persuade and promote talks have been undermined,” Qin said, “as if an invisible hand is pushing the conflict to escalate, taking advantage of the Ukrainian crisis to achieve certain geopolitical intentions.” https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/c...arns-rcna73705 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

03-09-23, 08:36 AM	#425
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 180,934 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	China's Xi calls for 'more quickly elevating' armed forces BEIJING (AP) — China’s leader Xi Jinping has called for “more quickly elevating the armed forces to world-class standards,” in a speech just days after a top diplomat warned of the growing possibility of conflict with the U.S. unless Washington changes course. China must maximize its “national strategic capabilities” in a bid to “systematically upgrade the country’s overall strength to cope with strategic risks, safeguard strategic interests and realize strategic objectives,” Xi said Wednesday. His remarks to delegates in the ceremonial parliament representing the People's Liberation Army, the military wing of the ruling Communist Party, and the paramilitary People's Armed Police, were carried by the official Xinhua News Agency. Xi issued a series of calls to accelerate the build-up of self-reliance in science and technology, bolster strategic capabilities in emergency fields, make industrial and supply chains more resilient and make national reserves “more capable of safeguarding national security.” The program laid out by Xi dovetails with a number of national strategies already underway, including the “Made in China 2025” campaign to make China dominant in 10 key fields from integrated circuits to aerospace, and a decades-old campaign for civilian-military integration in the economy. Xi also mentioned the need for “achieving the goals for the centenary of the PLA in 2027,” a date by which, according to some U.S. observers, China intends to have the capability of conquering self-governing Taiwan, an American ally, by military means. China has defined the centenary goals in mostly vague terms, such as greater "informatization" and raising the PLA to “world-class standards." China needs to build “a strong system of strategic deterrent forces, raise the presence of combat forces in new domains and of new qualities, and deeply promote combat-oriented military training,” according to a speech Xi gave last year. On Tuesday, Foreign Minister Qin Gang had warned in unusually stark terms about the possibility of U.S.-China frictions leading to something more dire. “If the United States does not hit the brake, but continues to speed down the wrong path, no amount of guardrails can prevent derailing and there surely will be conflict and confrontation,” Qin said in his first news conference since taking up his post last year. “Such competition is a reckless gamble, with the stakes being the fundamental interests of the two peoples and even the future of humanity,” he added. That echoed remarks made by Xi on Monday to delegates that seemed to underscore Chinese frustration with U.S. restrictions on access to technology and its support for Taiwan and regional military blocs in unusually blunt terms. “Western countries led by the United States have implemented all-round containment, encirclement and suppression of China, which has brought unprecedented grave challenges to our nation’s development,” Xi was quoted as saying by the official Xinhua News Agency. A State Department spokesperson, Ned Price, responded by saying Washington wants to “coexist responsibly” within the global trade and political system and has no intention of suppressing China. “This is not about containing China. This is not about suppressing China. This is not about holding China back,” Price said in Washington. “We want to have that constructive competition that is fair” and “doesn’t veer into that conflict.” Meanwhile on Wednesday, Gen. Laura J. Richardson, Commander of the U.S. Southern Command, which is responsible for South America and the Caribbean, testified before the House Armed Services Committee that China and Russia were “malign actors" that are “aggressively exerting influence over our democratic neighbors.” China is “spreading its malign influence, wielding its economic might, and conducting gray zone activities to expand its military and political access and influence,” Richardson said. “This is a strategic risk that we can’t accept or ignore," she added. Among other activities, China has built a massive embassy in the Bahamas, just 80 kilometers (50 miles) off the coast of Florida. “Presence and proximity absolutely matter, and a stable and secure Western Hemisphere is critical to homeland defense,” Richardson said. On Thursday, Beijing's Foreign Ministry dismissed U.S. questions and criticisms of Chinese intentions as an attempt to “make excuses for its military expansion and pursuit of hegemony." “Before criticizing and blaming other countries, the U.S., as the only military superpower armed to the teeth, should reflect on what it can and should do,” spokesperson Mao Ning said at a daily briefing. In a nod to a China-U.S. relationship that has sunk to its lowest level in decades, she said Washington "should meet China halfway and push China-U.S. relations back on the track of sound and stable development, which is beneficial to both countries and the world.” https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/us/ch...84bc6687&ei=27 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

03-10-23, 07:36 AM	#426
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03-10-23, 10:38 AM	#427
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,456 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Hypothetical, but still impressively close to reality - most likely. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-12-23, 07:01 AM	#428
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 180,934 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

03-12-23, 03:11 PM	#429
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03-18-23, 02:18 PM	#431
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 180,934 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

03-23-23, 02:51 AM	#432
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,827 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	China claim they have chased an American vessel away from their waters. USA denies this. I think in this case China is right..Not meaning they did chase this American vessel away No It means that the commander on this vessel had so much common sense to not start a fight/war with this vessel/China He knew that this was not the place nor the time. As some military strategy once said "Choose your fight and chose where. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

03-23-23, 07:49 AM	#433
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03-23-23, 05:03 PM	#434
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,811 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	__________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

03-24-23, 07:36 AM	#435
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 180,934 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

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