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Old 06-28-2020, 03:38 PM   #1
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Here is an active sonar mod I tweaked for the escorts. It adds "some" challenge without getting absurd. I just added to the stock ranges and tweaked the sensitivity and little (very little). It works with GWX. Not sure how it would work with other megamods. JSGME ready.


http://www.mediafire.com/file/5dc332...ar_Mod.7z/file


Weather is a factor as usual--rough seas=bad sonar performance. Good weather=more challenge. "Keep them in your baffles! Don't give them a broadside profile!"



My first time using mediafire so I hope I got the share set correctly.


EDIT: I left the late war Type 147 sonar as is. It's tough enough!
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Old 07-31-2020, 11:02 PM   #2
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Here is an active sonar mod I tweaked for the escorts. It adds "some" challenge without getting absurd. I just added to the stock ranges and tweaked the sensitivity and little (very little). It works with GWX. Not sure how it would work with other megamods. JSGME ready.


http://www.mediafire.com/file/5dc332...ar_Mod.7z/file


Weather is a factor as usual--rough seas=bad sonar performance. Good weather=more challenge. "Keep them in your baffles! Don't give them a broadside profile!"



My first time using mediafire so I hope I got the share set correctly.


EDIT: I left the late war Type 147 sonar as is. It's tough enough!
I'm about to give it a go I have always founf the escorts in GWX to easy to get away between 39-43 after 44 though you can forget it.

I'll let you know.
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Old 07-31-2020, 11:15 PM   #3
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Grumpy ... Thanks. Down loaded and will try it out in GWX.

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Old 08-01-2020, 01:19 AM   #4
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Hi Mate

I gave it a go but had some issues.

Intercepted a convoy and at times both merchants and escorts would fire on me
before I have even sighted them so first thing I know I got "we are under attack message" Also from very long distances 10000 metres.

The escort AI doesn't seem much different I got away all 3 times I crash dived no problems escorts just pounded the wrong area then again I had to crash dive a long way off as I was under attack so got some distance between myself and them.

Even when I was in a convoy and escorts were close I wasn't detected.

So overall I have noticed the escorts (And merchants can attack me from great distances but I don't see any major difference in the AI underwater.)

Not trying to be negative here just what I saw, It maybe that the mods clashing with something else but I enabled it last in JSGME

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Old 08-01-2020, 03:38 AM   #5
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@ Eastwa, Depending war date and what mod you play, but escorts and some merchants are Radar equiped! So they « see » you on surface...
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Old 08-01-2020, 09:03 AM   #6
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Thanks for posting guys! I'm interested in what people think about this mod. I can sure tweak it and am willing to put a couple other versions of it out as well.


Eastwa--This mod does not change anything at all with visual detection. In fact, I only change 2 values in the sensors file (mainly range). What you say about the escorts still pounding the wrong area is completely believable. They ain't the sharpest tools in the shed! Sea state also will be a huge factor in detection abilities. Rough seas and you may not notice much difference from the way things played out before the mod. Calm seas and you'll at least be getting pinged a lot more.


I also didn't touch the AI passive sonars. They seem to be ok imo. The biggest change I made to the sonar is simply their ranges. They were set to 1200 and I extended those ranges. Historical range would be ~2500 but I think that's too much of a gift to the escorts because other factors limiting their effectiveness are not modeled in the game.


If anyone would like me to tweak this a bit let me know. I'd be happy to attempt to offer a couple more versions. Keep in mind that testing mods like this is typically quite time consuming...


Thanks again for the posts!





Edit: Also keep in mind the "unknown" of the escorts crew quality. I haven't looked into the crew ratings of the escorts in GWX but know from long-ago experience that there is a huge difference even between Veteran and Elite crews. Also don't be shy about giving negative feedback about this mod. Sometimes that is the most helpful information.

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Old 08-01-2020, 09:44 AM   #7
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Thanks for posting guys! I'm interested in what people think about this mod. I can sure tweak it and am willing to put a couple other versions of it out as well.


Eastwa--This mod does not change anything at all with visual detection. In fact, I only change 2 values in the sensors file (mainly range). What you say about the escorts still pounding the wrong area is completely believable. They ain't the sharpest tools in the shed! Sea state also will be a huge factor in detection abilities. Rough seas and you may not notice much difference from the way things played out before the mod. Calm seas and you'll at least be getting pinged a lot more.


I also didn't touch the AI passive sonars. They seem to be ok imo. The biggest change I made to the sonar is simply their ranges. They were set to 1200 and I extended those ranges. Historical range would be ~2500 but I think that's too much of a gift to the escorts because other factors limiting their effectiveness are not modeled in the game.


If anyone would like me to tweak this a bit let me know. I'd be happy to attempt to offer a couple more versions. Keep in mind that testing mods like this is typically quite time consuming...


Thanks again for the posts!





Edit: Also keep in mind the "unknown" of the escorts crew quality. I haven't looked into the crew ratings of the escorts in GWX but know from long-ago experience that there is a huge difference even between Veteran and Elite crews. Also don't be shy about giving negative feedback about this mod. Sometimes that is the most helpful information.
Hi Mate

If its okay just as an experiment tweak it to 2500 and repost it and I'll have another crack at it see what its like then.

Yeah okay in regards to the visual sensors maybe it was just me but found it a bit odd.

I'm running GWX gold and the career was in Sep 41 which I thought would be a good mid war time,

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Old 08-01-2020, 09:55 AM   #8
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https://app.mediafire.com/myfiles


AI_Active_Sonar_Mod_2500 now available.



Happy being hunted!
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Old 08-02-2020, 12:42 AM   #9
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https://app.mediafire.com/myfiles


AI_Active_Sonar_Mod_2500 now available.



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Hi Mate

I opened the link but there was no file in it.

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Old 08-02-2020, 10:34 AM   #10
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hmm... Try this one.


http://www.mediafire.com/file/bga18e...d_2500.7z/file


Thanks!
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Old 08-03-2020, 06:44 AM   #11
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got it thanks I'll give it a crack!
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Old 08-03-2020, 09:28 AM   #12
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Let me know how it works. There's a lot of adjustments that can be made so details on what does/doesn't work for you are welcome. I'm willing to try to help you get the result you want.



Please include:
1. date of scenario/campaign.
2. Weather conditions when testing.
3. Number and type of escorts (DD, DE-Sloop), Corvette, Other.
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