Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Susexx]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Ukraine already attacked Russia (Crimea Belgorod) several times and Putin did not react nuclear it will not happen he is only prolonging this to ensure his power but think that will be in vain

Would you like to have a nuclear strike already? After the referendum, it is very possible that a blow will be struck at the Yavorsky landfill in Ukraine and there will be an ultimatum further. And for some reason it seems to me that his conditions will suit everyone. It is very possible that on February 24 it was necessary to do so and save people in Ukraine and in Russia.

[Reece]

Give Ukraine a couple of nukes!! (as a deterrent)

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Reece

Give Ukraine a couple of nukes!! (as a deterrent)

Would only encourage Putin to go with overwhelming nuclear force.

[Jimbuna]

Hundreds of people have been arrested by authorities as protests against Russia's new "partial mobilisation" continue across the country, an independent rights group has said.

OVD-Info said 724 people were detained across 32 different cities on Saturday.

Widespread demonstrations have broken out since President Vladimir Putin announced plans to draft 300,000 men to fight in Ukraine.

Unsanctioned rallies are banned under Russian law.

But Mr Putin's move to draft civilians into the military has sparked large scale protests in urban areas, with more than 1,000 people being detained at demonstrations earlier this week.

In Moscow, news agency AFP reported witnessing one demonstrator shouting "we are not cannon fodder" as she was arrested by officers.

And in St Petersburg, Russia's second city, one man told reporters: "I don't want to go to war for Putin."

Seventy-year-old Natalya Dubova told AFP that she opposed the war and confessed she was "afraid for young people" being ordered to the front.

Some of those arrested on Saturday reported being given their draft papers after being detained. The Kremlin defended the practice earlier this week, saying "it isn't against the law".

Moscow has also approved harsh new punishments for those accused of dereliction of duty once drafted.

Mr Putin signed fresh decrees on Saturday imposing punishments of up to 10 years imprisonment for any soldier caught surrendering, attempting to desert the military or refusing to fight.

The president also signed orders granting Russian citizenship to any foreign national who signs up to serve a year in the country's military.

The decree, which some observers have suggested displays how severe Moscow's shortage of troops has become, bypasses the usual requirement of five years of residency in the country.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63021118

[Jimbuna]

Russia's defence ministry has revealed a host of occupations it says will be exempted from conscription aimed at boosting its war effort in Ukraine.

IT workers, bankers and journalists working for state media will escape the "partial mobilisation" announced by President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday.

Around 300,000 citizens face being called up as part of the drive.

The move has prompted a rush towards borders as young men attempt to flee to evade the draft.

Announcing the exemptions on Friday, Russia defence ministry said employers must compile a list of workers who meet the criteria and submit it to its offices.

But it accepted some sectors had to be excluded to "ensure the work of specific high-tech industries, as well as Russia's financial system".

Some commentators have observed that the text of the mobilisation decree has been left vague - potentially allowing it to be widened if necessary.

And one paragraph remains entirely classified. Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said on Friday this referred to the total number of Russians who could be conscripted, which he said could not be disclosed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63005406

[Jimbuna]

Dmitry Bulgakov: Putin fires deputy defence chief amid supply failures

Vladimir Putin has fired the general charged with managing the Russian military's faltering logistics operations in Ukraine.

Gen Dmitry Bulgakov, a deputy defence minister, was removed from his role on Saturday, the defence ministry said on Telegram.

The ministry said the 67-year old was "released" to transfer into a new role.

He will be replaced by Col Gen Mikhail Mizintsev, who managed Moscow's brutal siege at the port city of Mariupol.

Gen Bulgakov has run the military's logistics operations since 2008 and was responsible for keeping Russian troops supplied after their deployment to Syria in 2015.

But observers say he has become side-lined in Moscow in recent months, with many blaming him for the chaotic logistics operations that have dogged Russia's advance and seen their troops left undersupplied.

In recent months, the Kremlin has been forced to approach North Korea and Iran - two of its only remaining allies - for new artillery and drone supplies.

Gen Bulgakov's dismissal comes as footage circulated on social media showing newly drafted Russian recruits being equipped with rusty assault rifles.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63021117

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Total Russian combat losses since beginning of war - about 56.7 thousand people, 259 aircraft, 220 helicopters, 2,275 tanks, 1,368 artillery systems and 4,832 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian invaders who have invaded Ukraine continue to suffer casualties. As of the morning of September 25, enemy personnel losses totaled approximately 56,700.

This is stated by Censor.NЕТ with reference to рress center of AFU General Staff.

As noted, total enemy combat losses from 24.02 to 25.09 are approximate:

personnel - about 56700 (+400) eliminated,

tanks - 2275 (+13) units,

armored combat vehicles - 4,832 (+25) units

artillery systems - 1368 (+7) units

multiple rocket launchers - 328 (+1) units

anti-aircraft defence systems - 171 (+1) units

airplanes - 259 (+4) units, helicopters - 220 (+0) units

helicopters, 220 (+0) units,

UAVs of operational-tactical level - 966 (+10),

cruise missiles - 241 (+1),

ships/boats - 15 (+0) units,

motor vehicles and fuel tankers - 3701 (+20) units

special equipment - 130 (+4). Source: https://censor.net/en/n3369418

[Commander Wallace]

^ something to add to Jimbuna's post.





Ukrainska Pravda
Fri, September 23, 2022 at 7:17 AM

UKRAINSKA PRAVDA — FRIDAY, 23 SEPTEMBER 2022, 20:09, 14:17
Russian occupiers are gradually retreating in the South of Ukraine. Ukraine’s Armed Forces managed to destroy the areas where their equipment and weapons are concentrated.
Source: Natalia Humeniuk, the head of the press centre of Operational Command Pivden (South), on air of national 24/7 newscast, reports Interfax-Ukraine

Quote from Humeniuk: "The fighting is fierce, it is quite hot here in the south, despite the fact that the weather has become a little cooler. The fire is coming from one side and from the other. But the enemy is still giving way; we are securing territories, little by little. And this stresses the Russian forces out, so the shelling becomes more or less intense, depending on the amount of [Russian] ammunition we hit during the night...

We landed quite significant hits over the past day; these [targets] are control points, command posts, and areas of concentration of equipment and weapons, as well as people, but we do not see the results yet, because they are still being investigated. It is clear that it is more difficult to estimate such results in the occupied territory. But we are very grateful to the local population, [and] very grateful to the resistance movement; they help us in this, and we are sure that by the evening the report [on Russia’s losses] will be quite powerful."

Details: Humeniuk says that illegal "referendums" organised by the occupiers that aim to legitimise merging of Ukraine’s southern oblasts with the Russian Federation, as well as the announcement of the mobilisation of Russian citizens, are an imitation of real activity by the Russian leadership.

Quote from Humeniuk: "They [occupiers - ed.] need mobilisation in order to demonstrate at least some activity, in particular, to the military and political leadership of the aggressor country, because they do not see anyone caring about them; they lack logistic support; they have no feeling they are necessary there (I'm talking about the [hostile] units that are currently deployed on the front lines in the south)... Mobilisation and the referendum are just another [ways of] manipulation, which they resort to so as to simulate their activities, nothing more."

Humeniuk recently said that Russian units in southern Ukraine are trapped between the Ukrainian army and the right bank of the Dnipro River. Some of the Russian occupiers’ commanders are trying to get in touch with representatives of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to lay down their arms and surrender.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russians-...111755066.html

[mapuc]

I'm 95 % Sure Putin will not use WMD even if he loses Crimea and the other areas which he has planned on annex(or what you call it)

Because these areas isn't really Russian soil..

It will hurt a lot if or when Putin loses these areas.

For once I hope I'm right.

Markus

[mapuc]

The Germans had V1 and V2, which was used to terrorize civilians

The same is seen in Ukraine.

Another uncensored footage of an impact of the Iranian kamikaze drone "Shahed-136" on a building in Odesa, this morning.

https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status...10390115229697

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Susexx

Would you like to have a nuclear strike already? After the referendum, it is very possible that a blow will be struck at the Yavorsky landfill in Ukraine and there will be an ultimatum further.

Putin has not changed his strategy, it is a warning towards NATO to stay out of the war. The threat has worked; that was Putin's goal. Putin's problem is: if he deploys nuclear weapons, this deterrent is gone. And then the West can do anything, you cannot ignore his statement about nuclear weapons, we have to take it seriously, but for me his mobilization plan is more important. Putin is desperate, this was not a speech by a leader who is confident. If Putin cannot stabilize the front line and get the troops through the winter, he is in real trouble. Whether he has any options left, that remains to be seen. I am very skeptical about Putin's mobilization plan and/or this can help him.

Originally Posted by Susexx

And for some reason it seems to me that his conditions will suit everyone.

Ukraine and the rest will not accept this not the UK, U.S. but also not China and India do not support Russia in case of a nuclear attack. They are concerned about the situation, this is not the way they want things to go, they are not going to continue to support Russia at any cost.

Originally Posted by Susexx

It is very possible that on February 24 it was necessary to do so and save people in Ukraine and in Russia.

You really say this you really mean that this invasion will save people in Ukraine you really think an aggressor who only destroys civilian objects (also known for that tactic in Chechnya Georgia and Syria) as revenge for its military failure is the savior of people Ppffff

[Dargo]

Putin does not need a referendum to annex parts of Ukraine as ... to ... Several attacks in Western Russia, primarily in the Bryansk, Kursk and Belgorod oblasts, have been reported since the start of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine (And therefore, the disarmament of the Belgorod and Voronezh killers' warehouses is an absolutely natural process. Karma is a cruel thing,), the use of this nuclear threat is mostly for keeping the hawks in the Kremlin happy and Putin believes the West will do nothing or backs down their support he is wrong every move by Putin is followed with more support that will not change it is ongoing for more than 8 years even under Trump Ukraine got military support. This is a conflict between the west and the anti-west that will not be gone for decades, get used to it.

[Dargo]

[mapuc]

Which category goes this under ?

A strategy I've never heard of before

Russian soldiers have recently sold several armoured vehicles to the Ukrainian army in Vyskopillya area.

The exchange reportedly happened earlier in the week without incidents.

Just crazy...

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/stat...05233536098304

Markus