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Jimbuna · 10-31-19, 06:49 AM

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Police investigating the death of 19-year-old Harry Dunn have interviewed crash suspect Anne Sacoolas in the US.

Northamptonshire Police said details of the interview had been passed to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).

Supt Sarah Johnson said: "We can confirm that we have completed an interview of the suspect in connection with the death of Harry Dunn, the details of which will be provided to the CPS for consideration alongside the rest of the evidential file already submitted."

The family has already launched legal action against the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-50249290

I should imagine this will be the beginning of a long drawn out affair.

Jimbuna · 11-07-19, 07:21 AM

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Harry Dunn, the teenager who died after his motorbike was in a collision with a car driven by the wife of a US diplomat, lay by the side of the road for 43 minutes before an ambulance arrived because the urgency of his case was “wrongly categorised”.

The 19-year-old died in hospital. His motorcycle had been hit on 27 August this year near RAF Croughton, Northamptonshire, in the UK, by a car being driven by Anne Sacoolas on the wrong side of the road.

The ambulance service listed his injuries as category 2 requiring an ambulance within 40 minutes. If he had been classified as category 1 the ambulance should have arrived within seven minutes.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...id=mailsignout

It has been suggested by the ambulance service that whether it was a category 1 or category 2 wouldn’t have made a difference because the doctors were too far away.

Rockstar · 11-08-19, 09:46 PM

So, the intent for Categories 2, 3 and 4 is to ensure that patients in these categories who require transportation receive a conveying resource in a timeframe that is appropriate to their clinical needs. Therefore, if a patient requires transportation in an emergency, the clock will only stop when the conveying resource arrives.

Id suggest that somebody screwed up the onscene assement of Harry Dunn clinical needs If an ambulance arrived sooner maybe Harry Dunn would still be alive?

sounds like a typical government run operation. If I was in Ms. Soocalas shoes I probably would fled the country too instead of getting caught up in this debacle as a scapegoat.

August · 11-09-19, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

If I was in Ms. Soocalas shoes I probably would fled the country too instead of getting caught up in this debacle as a scapegoat.

But she is far more than a scapegoat. She was the one who caused the accident.

Rockstar · 11-09-19, 01:54 PM

I understand that, accidents happen, even deadly ones and indeed I feel for the family and their loss. But because they are considered accidents the living that I know of are not prosecuted or go to jail. I suspect being involved in an accident in a foreign land isn't a great place to be in. Nobody gives a crap about the truth, as this topic shows argument shifts gear directly into politics, flags and borders. I know I wouldn't want to be the center of attention in a political tit for tat dispute in foreign land. Id want get the hell out of dodge as soon as possible before the the lynch mob showed up.

It's now becoming apparent there may have been other contributing factors to this young mans death. The idea that someones on scene medical assessment determines an ambulance response time is ludicrous. I have gone on many calls and it was balls to the wall every time.

Jimbuna · 12-21-19, 07:46 AM

A US woman will be charged with causing the death of teenage motorcyclist Harry Dunn by dangerous driving.

Mr Dunn, 19, died in a road crash in Northamptonshire in August that led to suspect Anne Sacoolas leaving for the US under diplomatic immunity.

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said it had started extradition proceedings through the Home Office.

US officials said it was not "a helpful development" and Mrs Sacoolas' lawyer said she would not return to the UK.

Lawyer Amy Jefress said: "Anne will not return voluntarily to the UK to face a potential jail sentence for what was a terrible but unintentional accident."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50870459

August · 12-21-19, 11:38 AM

Suddenly it sounds like not going back there to "discuss" the incident with authorities was some pretty good legal advice seeing as this is what they intended to do all along.

Jimbuna · 12-21-19, 08:10 PM

The US has never refused a request for extradition in over 100 years.

I believe this will be about to change and the world will see precisely how previous attitudes and values no longer exist.

August · 12-22-19, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

The US has never refused a request for extradition in over 100 years.

Before we talk about changing attitudes and values have we ever had to wave diplomatic immunity in order to grant an extradition request? Has HM government ever done so for us or any other nation?

Platapus · 12-22-19, 06:08 PM

IN many minds, Americans are special and the rules don't apply to us

What would have happened if the roles and countries were reversed?

August · 12-22-19, 06:23 PM

Can we first establish that it has actually happened before? Has any country ever waived diplomatic immunity? I have no idea and I am curious to know.

Jimbuna · 12-22-19, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

IN many minds, Americans are special and the rules don't apply to us

What would have happened if the roles and countries were reversed?

A good valid point

Rockstar · 12-22-19, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

IN many minds, Americans are special and the rules don't apply to us

What would have happened if the roles and countries were reversed?

Instead of getting all emotional, dramatic and whiny about cases we really have no clue about other than what the latest headlines tells us to think. I would hope the United States would honor the current agreements and conventions regarding diplomatic immunity. Which at this time under article 37 of the Vienna Convention applies to family members. If things need to be changed then citizens of the sending and receiving states should urge their OWN government to enter new bilateral agreements.

Jimbuna · 12-23-19, 04:55 AM

My understanding is that the charge brought before a UK judge is to be Causing Death by Dangerous Driving.

Moonlight · 12-23-19, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Can we first establish that it has actually happened before? Has any country ever waived diplomatic immunity? I have no idea and I am curious to know.

Georgian diplomat ordered to remain in United States.
http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9701/10...mat/index.html
January 10, 1997

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The high-ranking Georgian diplomat suspected of driving drunk in a high-speed car accident that killed a 16-year-old girl was ordered by his government Friday to remain in the United States pending the outcome of the investigation.

"Makharadze's lawyers said in a statement that their client was an "unwitting political pawn" who "has never had a brush with the law."

Lawyers Paul Perito and Kirby Behre said Makharadze's rights had been violated by "the circus-like atmosphere" surrounding the highly publicized case.

Georgian Diplomat Pleads Guilty in Death of Teen-Age Girl

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/09/u...-age-girl.html

11-08-19, 09:46 PM	#63
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,830 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	So, the intent for Categories 2, 3 and 4 is to ensure that patients in these categories who require transportation receive a conveying resource in a timeframe that is appropriate to their clinical needs. Therefore, if a patient requires transportation in an emergency, the clock will only stop when the conveying resource arrives. Id suggest that somebody screwed up the onscene assement of Harry Dunn clinical needs If an ambulance arrived sooner maybe Harry Dunn would still be alive? sounds like a typical government run operation. If I was in Ms. Soocalas shoes I probably would fled the country too instead of getting caught up in this debacle as a scapegoat. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

11-09-19, 01:54 PM	#65
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,830 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I understand that, accidents happen, even deadly ones and indeed I feel for the family and their loss. But because they are considered accidents the living that I know of are not prosecuted or go to jail. I suspect being involved in an accident in a foreign land isn't a great place to be in. Nobody gives a crap about the truth, as this topic shows argument shifts gear directly into politics, flags and borders. I know I wouldn't want to be the center of attention in a political tit for tat dispute in foreign land. Id want get the hell out of dodge as soon as possible before the the lynch mob showed up. It's now becoming apparent there may have been other contributing factors to this young mans death. The idea that someones on scene medical assessment determines an ambulance response time is ludicrous. I have gone on many calls and it was balls to the wall every time. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 11-09-19 at 02:08 PM.

12-21-19, 07:46 AM	#66
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,120 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	A US woman will be charged with causing the death of teenage motorcyclist Harry Dunn by dangerous driving. Mr Dunn, 19, died in a road crash in Northamptonshire in August that led to suspect Anne Sacoolas leaving for the US under diplomatic immunity. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said it had started extradition proceedings through the Home Office. US officials said it was not "a helpful development" and Mrs Sacoolas' lawyer said she would not return to the UK. Lawyer Amy Jefress said: "Anne will not return voluntarily to the UK to face a potential jail sentence for what was a terrible but unintentional accident." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50870459 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

12-21-19, 11:38 AM	#67
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 22,667 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Suddenly it sounds like not going back there to "discuss" the incident with authorities was some pretty good legal advice seeing as this is what they intended to do all along. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

12-21-19, 08:10 PM	#68
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,120 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The US has never refused a request for extradition in over 100 years. I believe this will be about to change and the world will see precisely how previous attitudes and values no longer exist. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

12-22-19, 06:08 PM	#70
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,946 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	IN many minds, Americans are special and the rules don't apply to us What would have happened if the roles and countries were reversed? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

12-22-19, 06:23 PM	#71
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 22,667 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Can we first establish that it has actually happened before? Has any country ever waived diplomatic immunity? I have no idea and I am curious to know. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

12-23-19, 04:55 AM	#74
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,120 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	My understanding is that the charge brought before a UK judge is to be Causing Death by Dangerous Driving. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)