Italian built - Page 2

Bruno Lotse · 03-09-06, 11:48 AM

RE: 'll do the ratty rusty one as the Vorpostenboot...

Here are another ones for your inspiration. Former Yugoslavian Masor and Marjan converted by Germans as Minenshiffe - Minelayers and Minesweepers operating in the Adriatic Sea.

Masor:

Marjan

Former Yugoslavian Leader Dubrovnik - in German service - TA 32

Former Yugoslavian DD Beograd, then Italian Sibenico, and finally German TA 43

GlowwormGuy · 03-09-06, 07:08 PM

Man TA32 looks suspiciously like a British destroyer hehehe... looks like another incarnation for NDDA.

Mountbatten

Bruno Lotse · 03-09-06, 09:46 PM

As the story goes, when Yugoslavian Navy establishment allocated money for a new leader they initially approached French, as French were renown for their ships built for Mediterrenian theater. Yet Yugoslavians wanted on their destroyers Check guns (I do not know why they would thought that Scoda (land-locked country) was good in Naval artillery. They were undeniably good in building tanks though). French said no. They would built everything top-notch but according to their own specifications - from keel to the last bolt. Then Yugoslavians approached British. The British answered - you want us to install those guns or you would install them yourselves? So, eventually Leader Dubrovnik was another incarnation of British Naval ship building...Well, when Germans took it over they installed their own naval guns.

GlowwormGuy · 03-10-06, 07:49 PM

That solved it I guess... so I guess that 'this is a job for - NDDA!' Well Skoda works did pretty good artillery and I guess, being a part of the former Austro-Hungarian empire they were just more familiar with Skoda guns. Should do a pack - the German British looking ex-foreign destroyers: ZG3 Hermes, TA32... by the way, this is standard German camo colours? For the TA's I mean?

Mountbatten

GlowwormGuy · 03-10-06, 08:38 PM

Just thinking out loud...

Would it be possible to modify this lovely vessel...

http://www.voodoo.cz/battleships/pic...plan%20col.jpg

... into this one?

http://www.oksenate.gov/senate_artwo...s_oklahoma.jpg

Change the masts into tripods, put the secondaries into the superstructure and take away one funnel...

Just thinking out loud,
Mountbatten

GlowwormGuy · 03-14-06, 04:10 AM

First the bad news... the game does not have the German TB models for 1932 and 1939 which is really ridiculous as they're similar to the extant 1924 model but with a few guns added and subtracted here and there. So many missing things - heck they should have done at least two Warspites (Malaya type with old style tripods and the Warspite type) and at least two Renowns (Renown and Repulse, box superstructure former, tripod mast the latter) and a VW class with the old number of funnels, not just the single funnel long range version - I mean they had all those Yank and Japanese destroyers etc...

So that's the bad news...

The good news is

I'll send it over to Horsa for hosting. Included are the stock Gabbiano repainted as a Vorpostenboot and a 'lifeboat' (just a PT boat repaint in wood texture).

Cheers,
Mountbatten

willi · 03-14-06, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlowwormGuy

The good news is

I'll send it over to Horsa for hosting. Included are the stock Gabbiano repainted as a Vorpostenboot and a 'lifeboat' (just a PT boat repaint in wood texture).

Cheers,
Mountbatten

Very, very nice!

Scorpio U-1000 · 03-14-06, 08:28 AM

Good Work!

GlowwormGuy · 03-14-06, 11:01 PM

Hi Horsa, hope you got the file safe and sound!

I'll work on a couple of more repaints for the TBs including 2 color and variant 3 color (green, white, black) schemes so we can get a trifle more color in there. By the way, Scorpio let me know where I can send this (if you'd care to include them in the Italian set or whatever) and Bruno please remind me of your email address again. I'll try and send over the Capetown repaints and a few other things.

hTanks,
Mountbatten

horsa · 03-15-06, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Hi Horsa, hope you got the file safe and sound!

Nothing received recently

willi · 03-15-06, 06:02 AM

Hi Mountbatten
Thanks for your offer that we appreciate.
We will try to insert the unity that you will repaint in the expansion MN of next publication, or in a following patch.
The address where you can send the file, you find it in PM.

Willi

Bruno Lotse · 03-15-06, 10:42 AM

Re: Well Skoda works did pretty good artillery...
You're right. I've read recently that Skoda was the main supplier of naval guns for Austro-Hungarian fleet. Battleships of class Viribus Unitis were equipped with original Skoda guns. So Checks were in no way novices in naval artillery. The reason why French did not want to install Check guns on Dubrovnik was simply French desire to maintain their DD fleet as the most powerful in the Mediterrenian. Check guns were 140 mm capable to throw 40kg shells to 24 km while the most powerful French DD gun was 138 mm. When British built Leader Dubrovnik and installed 4X140mm guns, Dubrovik became the most powerful destroyer (in terms of gunnery) in the world all the way till German experiments with 150mm guns (which proved to be a failure - they eventually reverted to 127mm). Yugoslavians also had three destroyers - Beograd, Ljubljana, Zagreb. These three were based on French Barasque with 4x120mm but again Skoda guns. Italians captured Dubrovik ('Premuda'), Beograd ('Sebenico'), Ljublana ('Ljublana'). Zagreb was destroyed by its own crew who did not want to surrender their ship. Germans took over Premuda and Sebenico - TA 32 and TA43. Ljublana sank in spring 1943.
I like your idea of repainting British cruisers. Looking at stock RN cruisers in the game one might think that RN was in Toulon throughout the WW2 - no camo,no nothing. Have a look at the HMS Arethusa in so called 'Malta' camo, i.e. colors specific for that theater of war.
My email Bruno_Lotse@yahoo.ca

Here's HMS Coventry in 1941. See... She was not in Toulon. She was at Alexandria and as such she was properly painted

And finally my love, heroes of Malta HMS Abdiel and Maxman

Here's another one HMS Maxman in May 1942 painted as if she is a French destroyer Chacal. Ooooh sneaky British.

Yet, what can you say - blockade runner...

GlowwormGuy · 03-15-06, 05:35 PM

Oakydoky will resend and cc to Bruno and Willi as well.

Thanks very much for the lovely plates Bruno. I've actually been doing most of the work on the Dido III (Black Prince - a Dido with 3rd turret removed) and a reworked Exeter posing as Delhi/Capetown class. Would be nice to have different camo versions of others. Particularly for Mediterranean theater as that's where the Italian fleet is expanding (hehehe)

Many thanks,
Mountbatten

Bruno Lotse · 03-15-06, 09:31 PM

Here some ships to spoil Italian drive to Mare Nostrum

HMS York

HMS Enterprise

HMS Southampton

HMS Black Prince

HMS Scylla

HMS Coventry

HMS Delhi

HMS Ajax

HMS Swiftsure (well, she wasn't actually there but color plates are quite standard - light gray - dark gray)

Parra bellum

GlowwormGuy · 03-16-06, 07:52 AM

Nice selection there Bruno,

I was getting tired of seeing the Brits in their prewar camo pattern - ie NO CAMO

Let's see what we can churn out with a few cans of paint

Mountbatten

03-09-06, 11:48 AM	#16
Bruno Lotse Sonar Guy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: HMCS Toronto (K 538) Posts: 385 Downloads: 244 Uploads: 0	RE: 'll do the ratty rusty one as the Vorpostenboot... Here are another ones for your inspiration. Former Yugoslavian Masor and Marjan converted by Germans as Minenshiffe - Minelayers and Minesweepers operating in the Adriatic Sea. Masor: Marjan Former Yugoslavian Leader Dubrovnik - in German service - TA 32 Former Yugoslavian DD Beograd, then Italian Sibenico, and finally German TA 43 __________________ Wie einst Lili Marleen.

03-09-06, 09:46 PM	#18
Bruno Lotse Sonar Guy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: HMCS Toronto (K 538) Posts: 385 Downloads: 244 Uploads: 0	As the story goes, when Yugoslavian Navy establishment allocated money for a new leader they initially approached French, as French were renown for their ships built for Mediterrenian theater. Yet Yugoslavians wanted on their destroyers Check guns (I do not know why they would thought that Scoda (land-locked country) was good in Naval artillery. They were undeniably good in building tanks though). French said no. They would built everything top-notch but according to their own specifications - from keel to the last bolt. Then Yugoslavians approached British. The British answered - you want us to install those guns or you would install them yourselves? So, eventually Leader Dubrovnik was another incarnation of British Naval ship building...Well, when Germans took it over they installed their own naval guns. __________________ Wie einst Lili Marleen.

03-14-06, 04:10 AM	#21
GlowwormGuy Planesman Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 187 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	Bad news and good news First the bad news... the game does not have the German TB models for 1932 and 1939 which is really ridiculous as they're similar to the extant 1924 model but with a few guns added and subtracted here and there. So many missing things - heck they should have done at least two Warspites (Malaya type with old style tripods and the Warspite type) and at least two Renowns (Renown and Repulse, box superstructure former, tripod mast the latter) and a VW class with the old number of funnels, not just the single funnel long range version - I mean they had all those Yank and Japanese destroyers etc... So that's the bad news... The good news is I'll send it over to Horsa for hosting. Included are the stock Gabbiano repainted as a Vorpostenboot and a 'lifeboat' (just a PT boat repaint in wood texture). Cheers, Mountbatten

03-14-06, 08:28 AM	#23
Scorpio U-1000 Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Italy Posts: 10 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Good Work! __________________ www.forum.maricosom.net

03-15-06, 10:42 AM	#27
Bruno Lotse Sonar Guy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: HMCS Toronto (K 538) Posts: 385 Downloads: 244 Uploads: 0	Re: Well Skoda works did pretty good artillery... You're right. I've read recently that Skoda was the main supplier of naval guns for Austro-Hungarian fleet. Battleships of class Viribus Unitis were equipped with original Skoda guns. So Checks were in no way novices in naval artillery. The reason why French did not want to install Check guns on Dubrovnik was simply French desire to maintain their DD fleet as the most powerful in the Mediterrenian. Check guns were 140 mm capable to throw 40kg shells to 24 km while the most powerful French DD gun was 138 mm. When British built Leader Dubrovnik and installed 4X140mm guns, Dubrovik became the most powerful destroyer (in terms of gunnery) in the world all the way till German experiments with 150mm guns (which proved to be a failure - they eventually reverted to 127mm). Yugoslavians also had three destroyers - Beograd, Ljubljana, Zagreb. These three were based on French Barasque with 4x120mm but again Skoda guns. Italians captured Dubrovik ('Premuda'), Beograd ('Sebenico'), Ljublana ('Ljublana'). Zagreb was destroyed by its own crew who did not want to surrender their ship. Germans took over Premuda and Sebenico - TA 32 and TA43. Ljublana sank in spring 1943. I like your idea of repainting British cruisers. Looking at stock RN cruisers in the game one might think that RN was in Toulon throughout the WW2 - no camo,no nothing. Have a look at the HMS Arethusa in so called 'Malta' camo, i.e. colors specific for that theater of war. My email Bruno_Lotse@yahoo.ca Here's HMS Coventry in 1941. See... She was not in Toulon. She was at Alexandria and as such she was properly painted And finally my love, heroes of Malta HMS Abdiel and Maxman Here's another one HMS Maxman in May 1942 painted as if she is a French destroyer Chacal. Ooooh sneaky British. Yet, what can you say - blockade runner... __________________ Wie einst Lili Marleen.

03-09-06, 07:08 PM	#17
GlowwormGuy Planesman Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 187 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	Man TA32 looks suspiciously like a British destroyer hehehe... looks like another incarnation for NDDA. Mountbatten

03-10-06, 07:49 PM	#19
GlowwormGuy Planesman Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 187 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	That solved it I guess... so I guess that 'this is a job for - NDDA!' Well Skoda works did pretty good artillery and I guess, being a part of the former Austro-Hungarian empire they were just more familiar with Skoda guns. Should do a pack - the German British looking ex-foreign destroyers: ZG3 Hermes, TA32... by the way, this is standard German camo colours? For the TA's I mean? Mountbatten

03-10-06, 08:38 PM	#20
GlowwormGuy Planesman Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 187 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	Just thinking out loud... Would it be possible to modify this lovely vessel... http://www.voodoo.cz/battleships/pic...plan%20col.jpg ... into this one? http://www.oksenate.gov/senate_artwo...s_oklahoma.jpg Change the masts into tripods, put the secondaries into the superstructure and take away one funnel... Just thinking out loud, Mountbatten

03-14-06, 11:01 PM	#24
GlowwormGuy Planesman Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 187 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	Hi Horsa, hope you got the file safe and sound! I'll work on a couple of more repaints for the TBs including 2 color and variant 3 color (green, white, black) schemes so we can get a trifle more color in there. By the way, Scorpio let me know where I can send this (if you'd care to include them in the Italian set or whatever) and Bruno please remind me of your email address again. I'll try and send over the Capetown repaints and a few other things. hTanks, Mountbatten

03-15-06, 06:02 AM	#26
willi Watch Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: ITALIA Posts: 30 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hi Mountbatten Thanks for your offer that we appreciate. We will try to insert the unity that you will repaint in the expansion MN of next publication, or in a following patch. The address where you can send the file, you find it in PM. Willi

03-15-06, 05:35 PM	#28
GlowwormGuy Planesman Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 187 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	will resend Oakydoky will resend and cc to Bruno and Willi as well. Thanks very much for the lovely plates Bruno. I've actually been doing most of the work on the Dido III (Black Prince - a Dido with 3rd turret removed) and a reworked Exeter posing as Delhi/Capetown class. Would be nice to have different camo versions of others. Particularly for Mediterranean theater as that's where the Italian fleet is expanding (hehehe) Many thanks, Mountbatten

03-15-06, 09:31 PM	#29
Bruno Lotse Sonar Guy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: HMCS Toronto (K 538) Posts: 385 Downloads: 244 Uploads: 0	Here some ships to spoil Italian drive to Mare Nostrum HMS York HMS Enterprise HMS Southampton HMS Black Prince HMS Scylla HMS Coventry HMS Delhi HMS Ajax HMS Swiftsure (well, she wasn't actually there but color plates are quite standard - light gray - dark gray) Parra bellum __________________ Wie einst Lili Marleen.

03-16-06, 07:52 AM	#30
GlowwormGuy Planesman Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 187 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	A few cans of paint... Nice selection there Bruno, I was getting tired of seeing the Brits in their prewar camo pattern - ie NO CAMO Let's see what we can churn out with a few cans of paint Mountbatten