[REL] Fall of the Rising Sun Ultimate, full release

[Moonlight]

Right Mr beanie while we're waiting for the next release I'll give the Gato a quick run out.
Wolves of the Pacific deleted and backup put in its place, SH4 Documents Folder deleted and Large Address Aware activated, plus another mod added into the mix.

100_FalloftheRisingSun_UltimateEdition_v1.1_EN
101_prBetaPatch_v1.1
FOTRSU_Traffic_and_Contact_Reports_Increased
Ship Silhouettes by DanielCoffey
Nomograph is deactivated on the Nav Map and a Torpedo Specialist pre-installed on the boat just like that battery man fix. 75% realism and manual targeting can go to hell, its a fire and forget career and what a shame I haven't got 12 bow torpedo tubes and 8 in the stern as well.


New career start and the earliest time I could get my grubby mitts on a Gato at Midway, CurrentDate=1943-01-11, hmmmm everything looks OK, lets hope Mr beanie gives a nod of satisfaction for a job well done.



Submarine Loadout, Improvements are highlighted in Magenta and problems in Red.
MK14 Torpedoes
2x Twin 20mm AA Machine Guns (Fore and Aft)
4" .50cal Bow Mount (Deck Gun)
SJ Radar (Surface Search Radar)
SD Radar (Air Search Radar)
SJ-I Improved Radar (Surface Search Radar)
Improved SD Radar (Air Search Radar)
What a nice start to this career, two improvements ready and waiting.

I spoke too soon.
SJ-I Improved Radar (Surface Search Radar) This upgrade pack can't be used on your submarine.


I tested the sub out with just the 100_FalloftheRisingSun_UltimateEdition_v1.1_EN mod and the
101_prBetaPatch_v1.1.
I have no idea what's wrong with this sub, if some one can test this out just to make sure its not these files I'm using are not at fault I would much appreciate it.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by the beast

Hello all

I am sailing in a Gato class, USS Gato in March of 1943, I believe, it has been a while since i played.

I wanted to play again today so I opened up SH4 and I tried to load my most recent save game, but it crashed a few seconds after getting to the "No Mission Too Difficult" screen. Thinking the save game was corrupt, I tried reloading another save game, but that one crashed as well in the same exact manner as the other save game.

TIA

what you experienced is not uncommon.
SH4 was written for Win-XP and we are....how many releases Post-XP?

the best action i can recommend, because this is what I do when it happens to me, is to reboot. and then fire-up Task Manager and terminate every unnecessary process.
then try and reload the SH4 game again.

sometimes, this process does not work which means that SH4 saved a corrupted file for you. this happens from time to time and there is not a damn thing you (we) can do about it.

[TitanicThomas]

So I was looking through the ship classes and noticed design errors or in one class a class being named after the wrong ship. If these errors in these ships have been addressed then I am sorry for missing the post that states this but my focus is over the Sendai (Naka) Class Light Cruiser and the Shiratsuyu Class Destroyer.

The Shiratsuyu issue has been noted in the old thread, the issue being over the AA emplacement that was put on late war. It is a way to separate 2 class of ships that look similar otherwise but it is weird to see a late war Shiratsuyu in 1941. Her mount before as far as I can find 1944 was a single barrel turret housing a 127 mm gun, the same size as all her other guns.

Another noticeable class that I found was the Naka class. The classification of the class is Sendai Class Light Cruiser and this error is in base game too, Naka was the last of the sister ships to be built and the youngest of the group. She was also the last to survive the war and could be the reason why in base game she is miss identified. But besides that the Model used is Sendai. All 3 of the Sendai class ships are different in some way, Sendai being very different from her youngest sister Naka.

Bow differences.png
Bridge.jpg
midship.jpg
(Sendai>Naka>Jintsuu)

The big differences among the 3 is the bow and the funnels. These images do have Sendai and Naka with their radar which they did not have at the start of the war but I kinda wanted to point out the differences with the 3. to add Naka and Jintsuu have 2x4 torpedo mounts.

If these have been noted before by the mod team I am rather sorry for bringing them up again. I like this mod and ships and details to me mean a lot and pointing out something that annoyed me in base game that could be fixed here is always a good thing to note. Other than that I think this is an excellent mod.
(Also sorry for an grammatical errors in this. I am not the best with formatting a well written post)

[Aktungbby]

TitanicThomas!after a six year silent run: nice first post!

[TitanicThomas]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

TitanicThomas!after a six year silent run: nice first post!

Thanks. I dont comment a lot on things I just felt it would be nice to post these two observations for a mod I really like to play on a game that can be rather fun at times.

[Moonlight]

Test 1, Wolves of the Pacific deleted and re-installed for the 2nd time this week, Mr beanie you're going to send me nuts with this mod.

100_FalloftheRisingSun_UltimateEdition_v1.1_EN
101_prBetaPatch_v1.1
A new career start and the earliest time I could get my grubby mitts on a Gato at Midway, CurrentDate=1943-01-11.

SJ-I Improved Radar (Surface Search Radar) This upgrade pack can't be used on your submarine.


Test 2, Wolves of the Pacific deleted and re-installed for the 3rd time this week, the two mods below have both been re-downloaded again, Crikey Mr beanie, you're going to put me in a mental institution at this rate.

100_FalloftheRisingSun_UltimateEdition_v1.1_EN
101_prBetaPatch_v1.1

A new career again, this time I started in 1943-06-06, the SJ-I Improved Radar (Surface Search Radar) was already installed on the boat. (I know its working because I've already done a couple of missions previously with the Gato and this start date.

Conclusion, find out what the difference is between the first Gato test and the second Gato test and you should find the problem......hopefully

[torpedobait]

Started a new career out of Pearl Harbor on 12/7/41 in USS Pike (Porpoise Class); After 3 patrols received new boat, USS Thresher (Tambor Class); 3 patrols later was given command of USS Gudgeon (Gar Class), and subsequent to 3 patrols in that boat received a new boat, USS Gato on 7/8/43. The boat was properly equipped, except that the AA gun was a .50 Caliber, somewhat surprising for that period in the war for a boat based out of Pearl Harbor.

Note that the Thresher and Gudgeon were allowed upgrades to a 20mm AA gun when I first took command of them.

However, after each of the first 3 patrols in Gato, I was still limited to the .50 Cal AA gun; the deck gun was upgraded to a 5", the radars were both "improved", and all other features and crew were normal, but no AA gun upgrades offered or received.

On 1/1/1944 I was offered a new boat (presumably the Balao, since that is the usual upgrade from Gato), but I declined the new boat to see if I would ever be able to get a better AA gun for the Gato.

We are now ready to leave Pearl on our 4th patrol in Gato; it is 1/24/44, and still we only have the .50 Cal AA gun. Is there a problem with the AA gun upgrade feature for a Gato running out of Pearl Harbor, or is my boat "special" in some way?

I deleted my Save and Rich Save files before starting this career; my tonnage averages about 50,000+ per patrol; the realism setting is 75% using Auto Targeting, and I run the following Mods over a clean base v1.5 game version:

100_FalloftheRisingSun_UltimateEdition_v1.1_EN
101_prBetaPatch_v1.1
399_NoScrollNavMap
449_FOTRSU Umark Removal (the 449 is my own number for sequencing)
450_Lite Fog v2 + 300' Underwater Visability (the 450 is my own number for sequencing)
901_strategic_map_symbols

Thanks for checking this out!

[Texas Red]

Originally Posted by WH4K

Unfortunately this is very common. It is common to get into a situation where your latest save cannot be loaded (even with restarting the game and your system), nor, suddenly, can the last several. I've had to go all the way back to the start of a patrol before, due to this.


No real fix for it. It's best to play until you are back to home port, or at least nearby. I haven't done a scientific study, but in general it seems like you get a corrupted save (which then corrupts many/all previous saves) less often, when you are in the middle of nowhere with nothing going on.

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

what you experienced is not uncommon.
SH4 was written for Win-XP and we are....how many releases Post-XP?

the best action i can recommend, because this is what I do when it happens to me, is to reboot. and then fire-up Task Manager and terminate every unnecessary process.
then try and reload the SH4 game again.

sometimes, this process does not work which means that SH4 saved a corrupted file for you. this happens from time to time and there is not a damn thing you (we) can do about it.

Well that sucks,

Anyways, I restarted my patrol over and completed a few patrols from yesterday and today. It works fine now.
I have a bug to report though,



I am now in the USS Balao, its October 19, 1943 in Convoy College (Luzon Straits). I came across a Large Ocean Liner in a small convoy, two torpedoes hit and sank her. I wanted to watch her sink, but she stopped like she hit the bottom, but where we are it is well past 1,000 feet. If you look closely, smoke is still coming out of the funnels, like she is a zombie ship. Yet you can see lifeboats in the background.
I have no clue on how to describe the position the ship is in.
Eventually the DDs gave up on trying to find me and I came back a few days later in game time and the ship was gone, which, I hope is normal.

Any ideas as to what is going on here?

[Navelintel]

Hi All,

Not sure if anyone has pointed it out before but I noticed an inconsistency in the rendering for the Battlecruiser Graf Spee Class. At first I thought there were dark tarps covering aft sections of the ship. However, upon closer examination, it appears three of the gun turrets are 'blacked' out. This same peculiarity occurs in the museum as well as in the game for both FOTRS-UE, V1.0.1gEN and FOTRS-UE, V1.1 EN. However, the glitch does not appear in SH4 V 1.5 without either mega mod.



Game screenshot from FOTRS-UE, V1.1 EN



I used the museum in FOTRS-UE, V1.1 EN for more closeup screenshots below when I went back and noticed the anomaly in the above game screenshot that I had previously saved.








For comparison, I took screenshots from SH4 V1.5 with TMO 2.5. Incidentally, the only difference in the ship rendering from SH4 V1.5 without the mega mod, TMO 2.5, is that the water and sky would appear less vibrant and washed out. Otherwise, the ship rendering appears identical to those as shown below.






Although a minor glitch, I hope it can be fixed so it doesn't detract from the rest of the wonderful artwork when the ship appears elsewhere in the mega mod. I haven't noticed any other visual anomalies (blacked out portions) with the ship renderings in FOTRS-UE, V1.1 EN, thus for now, they all look terrific and I'm enjoying the 'renaissance' of one of my favorite vintage games!



Navelintel

Originally Posted by Moonlight

Test 1, Wolves of the Pacific deleted and re-installed for the 2nd time this week, Mr beanie you're going to send me nuts with this mod.

100_FalloftheRisingSun_UltimateEdition_v1.1_EN
101_prBetaPatch_v1.1
A new career start and the earliest time I could get my grubby mitts on a Gato at Midway, CurrentDate=1943-01-11.

SJ-I Improved Radar (Surface Search Radar) This upgrade pack can't be used on your submarine.


Test 2, Wolves of the Pacific deleted and re-installed for the 3rd time this week, the two mods below have both been re-downloaded again, Crikey Mr beanie, you're going to put me in a mental institution at this rate.

100_FalloftheRisingSun_UltimateEdition_v1.1_EN
101_prBetaPatch_v1.1

A new career again, this time I started in 1943-06-06, the SJ-I Improved Radar (Surface Search Radar) was already installed on the boat. (I know its working because I've already done a couple of missions previously with the Gato and this start date.

Conclusion, find out what the difference is between the first Gato test and the second Gato test and you should find the problem......hopefully

Your renown is 000000 so you cannot "add" the SJ-1 radar (cost 800) is my guess!

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by TitanicThomas

So I was looking through the ship classes and noticed design errors or in one class a class being named after the wrong ship. If these errors in these ships have been addressed then I am sorry for missing the post that states this but my focus is over the Sendai (Naka) Class Light Cruiser and the Shiratsuyu Class Destroyer.

The Shiratsuyu issue has been noted in the old thread, the issue being over the AA emplacement that was put on late war. It is a way to separate 2 class of ships that look similar otherwise but it is weird to see a late war Shiratsuyu in 1941. Her mount before as far as I can find 1944 was a single barrel turret housing a 127 mm gun, the same size as all her other guns.

Another noticeable class that I found was the Naka class. The classification of the class is Sendai Class Light Cruiser and this error is in base game too, Naka was the last of the sister ships to be built and the youngest of the group. She was also the last to survive the war and could be the reason why in base game she is miss identified. But besides that the Model used is Sendai. All 3 of the Sendai class ships are different in some way, Sendai being very different from her youngest sister Naka.

pix

The big differences among the 3 is the bow and the funnels. These images do have Sendai and Naka with their radar which they did not have at the start of the war but I kinda wanted to point out the differences with the 3. to add Naka and Jintsuu have 2x4 torpedo mounts.

If these have been noted before by the mod team I am rather sorry for bringing them up again. I like this mod and ships and details to me mean a lot and pointing out something that annoyed me in base game that could be fixed here is always a good thing to note. Other than that I think this is an excellent mod.
(Also sorry for an grammatical errors in this. I am not the best with formatting a well written post)

We have what we have currently. The ships are not exact replicas, and were never meant to be, and for the most part, come from the FOTRS mod, based upon TMO v1.7. If you want correct hulls and other parts of the ships, you could do like ZUIKAKU1944 did, or any number of other modders, and build the ship's bow and other parts from scratch, or kitbash, and then maybe share them as mods - hint hint.

Originally Posted by Moonlight

Test 1, Wolves of the Pacific deleted and re-installed for the 2nd time this week, Mr beanie you're going to send me nuts with this mod.

100_FalloftheRisingSun_UltimateEdition_v1.1_EN
101_prBetaPatch_v1.1
A new career start and the earliest time I could get my grubby mitts on a Gato at Midway, CurrentDate=1943-01-11.

SJ-I Improved Radar (Surface Search Radar) This upgrade pack can't be used on your submarine.

Pic

Test 2, Wolves of the Pacific deleted and re-installed for the 3rd time this week, the two mods below have both been re-downloaded again, Crikey Mr beanie, you're going to put me in a mental institution at this rate.

100_FalloftheRisingSun_UltimateEdition_v1.1_EN
101_prBetaPatch_v1.1

A new career again, this time I started in 1943-06-06, the SJ-I Improved Radar (Surface Search Radar) was already installed on the boat. (I know its working because I've already done a couple of missions previously with the Gato and this start date.

Conclusion, find out what the difference is between the first Gato test and the second Gato test and you should find the problem......hopefully

Originally Posted by torpedobait

Started a new career out of Pearl Harbor on 12/7/41 in USS Pike (Porpoise Class); After 3 patrols received new boat, USS Thresher (Tambor Class); 3 patrols later was given command of USS Gudgeon (Gar Class), and subsequent to 3 patrols in that boat received a new boat, USS Gato on 7/8/43. The boat was properly equipped, except that the AA gun was a .50 Caliber, somewhat surprising for that period in the war for a boat based out of Pearl Harbor.

Note that the Thresher and Gudgeon were allowed upgrades to a 20mm AA gun when I first took command of them.

However, after each of the first 3 patrols in Gato, I was still limited to the .50 Cal AA gun; the deck gun was upgraded to a 5", the radars were both "improved", and all other features and crew were normal, but no AA gun upgrades offered or received.

On 1/1/1944 I was offered a new boat (presumably the Balao, since that is the usual upgrade from Gato), but I declined the new boat to see if I would ever be able to get a better AA gun for the Gato.

We are now ready to leave Pearl on our 4th patrol in Gato; it is 1/24/44, and still we only have the .50 Cal AA gun. Is there a problem with the AA gun upgrade feature for a Gato running out of Pearl Harbor, or is my boat "special" in some way?

I deleted my Save and Rich Save files before starting this career; my tonnage averages about 50,000+ per patrol; the realism setting is 75% using Auto Targeting, and I run the following Mods over a clean base v1.5 game version:

100_FalloftheRisingSun_UltimateEdition_v1.1_EN
101_prBetaPatch_v1.1
399_NoScrollNavMap
449_FOTRSU Umark Removal (the 449 is my own number for sequencing)
450_Lite Fog v2 + 300' Underwater Visability (the 450 is my own number for sequencing)
901_strategic_map_symbols

Thanks for checking this out!

Definitely a clue, especially the relation between your two posts... I have never encountered that "This upgrade pack can't be used on your submarine." Message, but the info definitely will help track things down - I hope... I have found some other similar strange behavior, and am now comparing old files, where the Gato upgraded fine, to the newer files...

Originally Posted by the beast

Well that sucks,

Anyways, I restarted my patrol over and completed a few patrols from yesterday and today. It works fine now.
I have a bug to report though,

Pic

I am now in the USS Balao, its October 19, 1943 in Convoy College (Luzon Straits). I came across a Large Ocean Liner in a small convoy, two torpedoes hit and sank her. I wanted to watch her sink, but she stopped like she hit the bottom, but where we are it is well past 1,000 feet. If you look closely, smoke is still coming out of the funnels, like she is a zombie ship. Yet you can see lifeboats in the background.
I have no clue on how to describe the position the ship is in.
Eventually the DDs gave up on trying to find me and I came back a few days later in game time and the ship was gone, which, I hope is normal.

Any ideas as to what is going on here?

Ships have always been known to have a "preferred sinking attitude", that generally does not always follow where torpedoes hit the ship. A third torpedo would probably have sent that one down all the way, but it would still have sunk similar to what you'll see some of the IJN CL do. Hit them in the stern, and they sink bow first... it is the way the boxes are arranged inside the ship model. If we can get to it someday, we'll try to balance some of them out more. I see the lifeboats though, on this sinking. Did you get the "ship sunk" icon on the NavMap? That is one of several "problem children" we have in the Roster...

Originally Posted by Navelintel

Hi All,

Not sure if anyone has pointed it out before but I noticed an inconsistency in the rendering for the Battlecruiser Graf Spee Class. At first I thought there were dark tarps covering aft sections of the ship. However, upon closer examination, it appears three of the gun turrets are 'blacked' out. This same peculiarity occurs in the museum as well as in the game for both FOTRS-UE, V1.0.1gEN and FOTRS-UE, V1.1 EN. However, the glitch does not appear in SH4 V 1.5 without either mega mod.

Game screenshot from FOTRS-UE, V1.1 EN

Pik

... and yet it renders fine in the Deutschland version



so we have "lost" a skin link there for the Graf Spee turret... Thanks for the find.

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by jldjs

Your renown is 000000 so you cannot "add" the SJ-1 radar (cost 800) is my guess!

I thought the message for that was different... but I'll look into it. Thanks nldjs!

Originally Posted by propbeanie

I thought the message for that was different... but I'll look into it. Thanks nldjs!

I don’t use the Beta patch for v1.1 but tried this Gato from Midway in Jan ‘43 and I only had 500 renown so when I tried to load the S.J.-1 Improved Radar I got the same message so just accepted that since I didn’t have enough renown. Didn’t see a problem!

[Texas Red]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Ships have always been known to have a "preferred sinking attitude", that generally does not always follow where torpedoes hit the ship. A third torpedo would probably have sent that one down all the way, but it would still have sunk similar to what you'll see some of the IJN CL do. Hit them in the stern, and they sink bow first... it is the way the boxes are arranged inside the ship model. If we can get to it someday, we'll try to balance some of them out more. I see the lifeboats though, on this sinking. Did you get the "ship sunk" icon on the NavMap? That is one of several "problem children" we have in the Roster...

Yea it did show a destroyed mark on the Nav Map.

[Moonlight]

Originally Posted by jldjs

I don’t use the Beta patch for v1.1 but tried this Gato from Midway in Jan ‘43 and I only had 500 renown so when I tried to load the S.J.-1 Improved Radar I got the same message so just accepted that since I didn’t have enough renown. Didn’t see a problem!

Well spotted jldjs, I got back to port after a mission and was able to purchase the SJ Improved Radar without any problems.
Its time I started noticing small details like lack of renown and what not, I'm going to castigate myself ferociously for missing that one.