Things you like about CW, Things you don't like.

LoBlo · 06-20-17, 07:24 AM

Things liked, things not. I'll start.

Like
1. The visuals are really nice, camera control, and models are great
2. The campaign style is really fun
3. The campaign map is a nice touch and gives a sense of total boat command
4. The sense of 'driving the boat'

Dislikes
1. Not being able to click at an onscreen helm instead of looking at my keyboard for the right button
2. Not having the option to set a course , speed, or depth with a 'command' rather than manually turning rudders
3. Lack of a crew voice to announce
4. The AI 'instant ranging you' spot on every time with its rocket propelled torpedoes

I'm hoping patches or mods will improve the above.

lb

Philipp_Thomsen · 06-20-17, 07:45 AM

Haven't started playing yet, plan to this weekend.

But I've gotta say, based on the trailer, that I'm terribly disappointed with
the effects of underwater torpedo explosion. Come on, it's 2017, I've seen
games released a decade ago with better effects.

Hopefully mods will fix that.

PL_Harpoon · 06-20-17, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen

Haven't started playing yet, plan to this weekend.

But I've gotta say, based on the trailer, that I'm terribly disappointed with
the effects of underwater torpedo explosion. Come on, it's 2017, I've seen
games released a decade ago with better effects.

Hopefully mods will fix that.

Yeah, it would be cool to see something like this:

The current surface explosions are great (especially love the shockwave effects) but I'll agree that underwater ones are a bit lacking in comparison (it's a minor thing though).

jmr · 06-20-17, 08:52 AM

Starting engagement ranges seem to close for my tastes even if I select close to 25k yards. I like to start farther out and slowly close the distance as I work up a good solution in 1:1 scale.

Griphos · 06-20-17, 09:00 AM

It looks like update 1.04 will address most of your dislikes. I think I need to buy this game today.

Tinman764 · 06-20-17, 10:08 AM

I'd like to see more info about your task in the main campaign map.
I've found it frustrating to try and figure out which icon is my specific task and chasing them around trying to engage it.

Prehaps something like a pre-engagement minigame, where the map focuses on your objective area when you enter it. You can set up patrol waypoints, speed and depth - imagine SH3's map - and how you handle your detection and approach to you target determines how the engagement starts.

Julhelm · 06-20-17, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen

Haven't started playing yet, plan to this weekend.

But I've gotta say, based on the trailer, that I'm terribly disappointed with
the effects of underwater torpedo explosion. Come on, it's 2017, I've seen
games released a decade ago with better effects.

Hopefully mods will fix that.

What games would that be?

Shadow · 06-20-17, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julhelm

What games would that be?

Dangerous Waters: Rose-Tinted Glasses Edition.

Seriously, it's not the first time I've heard claims decade-old game effects are better than CW's. Guys need to take another look for some much needed nostalgia displacement.

Philipp_Thomsen · 06-20-17, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julhelm

What games would that be?

SH3

bruniik · 06-20-17, 11:09 AM

i emailed killer fish games about the helos and got a reply this morning

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Helos right now do not have fuel limits, but it seems likely this will get added at some point.
Agree they should bug out on loss of parent ship. Another thing to add!

And we agree, they are a bit of a nuisance at the moment and will get looked at in order to improve them.

Cheers,
Paul

Quoting (redacted for my privacy) <Bruukko@gmail.com>:

FROM: (redacted)
SUBJECT: ASW Helicopters
GAME: Atlantic Fleet
DEVICE: pc

DESCRIPTION:
so how do the ASW helos work? do they have a fuel limit? do they have to
land? if i destroy the ship they launch from shouldnt they bug out so they
can find safe landing somewhere instead of chasing me for 3 hours with no
where to land within hundreds of miles??? i love the challenge they bring
to the game but the game stops being fun when im sitting waiting for the
helo to buzz off for hours.

----------------------

i wonder when that will be implemented but i am certainly excited

cj95 · 06-20-17, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julhelm

What games would that be?

Ha ha....good one!

For myself, I actually do like the current submarine control scheme. I get what my comrades are saying, but IF you do decide to change things to traditional orders please don't eliminate "driving the boat" option for those of us who do enjoy it.

Overall I'm enjoying the hell out the game. Kudos and thanks!

Onkel Neal · 06-20-17, 12:36 PM

Interesting, we haven't heard much praise about the dynamic campaign or randomly generated adversaries. Imagine if the campaign had been heavily scripted....

When I get some time I really want to explore making single missions where the enemy ships vary greatly in placement and inclusion, like a randomly generated skirmish mode.

PL_Harpoon · 06-20-17, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Interesting, we haven't heard much praise about the dynamic campaign or randomly generated adversaries. Imagine if the campaign had been heavily scripted....

That I would call "spoiled-by-SH syndrome"

Raptor_Pilot · 06-20-17, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Interesting, we haven't heard much praise about the dynamic campaign or randomly generated adversaries.

The fact no one is complaining about it is probably all the praise you'll get.
I think it could use a bit of scrubbing, but it's certainly fun enough.

If you fail a mission because you were taking on weapons while docked at Holy Loch, the Admiral needs to get a grip on something called "timeframe".

Tinman764 · 06-20-17, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Interesting, we haven't heard much praise about the dynamic campaign or randomly generated adversaries. Imagine if the campaign had been heavily scripted....

When I get some time I really want to explore making single missions where the enemy ships vary greatly in placement and inclusion, like a randomly generated skirmish mode.

There are improvements to be made there, for sure.

For one thing, I'm not sure how realistic it is to expect a sub to patrol the Denmark Strait, then head over to the Barents Sea and then down to southern Norway. I don't think the campaign takes into account the distances you need to travel.
Or I could be wrong and this could be totaly expected in war time for a nuke boat.

We also need a way to request an RTB for rearm and repairs.

I'd also like to be able to focus into an area of the map and get intel on known and projected movements. When to expect the next observation, etc. to help plot intercept courses or avoid ASW units.

06-20-17, 07:24 AM	#1
LoBlo Subsim Diehard Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas! Posts: 971 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 3	Things you like about CW, Things you don't like. Things liked, things not. I'll start. Like 1. The visuals are really nice, camera control, and models are great 2. The campaign style is really fun 3. The campaign map is a nice touch and gives a sense of total boat command 4. The sense of 'driving the boat' Dislikes 1. Not being able to click at an onscreen helm instead of looking at my keyboard for the right button 2. Not having the option to set a course , speed, or depth with a 'command' rather than manually turning rudders 3. Lack of a crew voice to announce 4. The AI 'instant ranging you' spot on every time with its rocket propelled torpedoes I'm hoping patches or mods will improve the above. lb __________________ "Seek not to offend or annoy... only to speak the truth"-a wise man

06-20-17, 07:45 AM	#2
Philipp_Thomsen Old Gang Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Drunk at the whorehouse Posts: 2,278 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Haven't started playing yet, plan to this weekend. But I've gotta say, based on the trailer, that I'm terribly disappointed with the effects of underwater torpedo explosion. Come on, it's 2017, I've seen games released a decade ago with better effects. Hopefully mods will fix that. __________________ To each his own

06-20-17, 11:09 AM	#10
bruniik Nub Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Unites States Posts: 3 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	helos i emailed killer fish games about the helos and got a reply this morning ---------------------------------------- Helos right now do not have fuel limits, but it seems likely this will get added at some point. Agree they should bug out on loss of parent ship. Another thing to add! And we agree, they are a bit of a nuisance at the moment and will get looked at in order to improve them. Cheers, Paul Quoting (redacted for my privacy) <Bruukko@gmail.com>: FROM: (redacted) SUBJECT: ASW Helicopters GAME: Atlantic Fleet DEVICE: pc DESCRIPTION: so how do the ASW helos work? do they have a fuel limit? do they have to land? if i destroy the ship they launch from shouldnt they bug out so they can find safe landing somewhere instead of chasing me for 3 hours with no where to land within hundreds of miles??? i love the challenge they bring to the game but the game stops being fun when im sitting waiting for the helo to buzz off for hours. ---------------------- i wonder when that will be implemented but i am certainly excited

06-20-17, 12:36 PM	#12
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,284 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	Interesting, we haven't heard much praise about the dynamic campaign or randomly generated adversaries. Imagine if the campaign had been heavily scripted.... When I get some time I really want to explore making single missions where the enemy ships vary greatly in placement and inclusion, like a randomly generated skirmish mode. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

06-20-17, 08:52 AM	#4
jmr Commander Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 462 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Starting engagement ranges seem to close for my tastes even if I select close to 25k yards. I like to start farther out and slowly close the distance as I work up a good solution in 1:1 scale.

06-20-17, 09:00 AM	#5
Griphos Watch Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Central Texas Posts: 28 Downloads: 93 Uploads: 0	It looks like update 1.04 will address most of your dislikes. I think I need to buy this game today.

06-20-17, 10:08 AM	#6
Tinman764 Chief Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: U-32's Wintergarten Posts: 325 Downloads: 177 Uploads: 0	I'd like to see more info about your task in the main campaign map. I've found it frustrating to try and figure out which icon is my specific task and chasing them around trying to engage it. Prehaps something like a pre-engagement minigame, where the map focuses on your objective area when you enter it. You can set up patrol waypoints, speed and depth - imagine SH3's map - and how you handle your detection and approach to you target determines how the engagement starts.