Wuhan virus 2020

[Reece]

Now public gatherings are restricted to 2 people, that is just stupid!!!!
Typical of Snot Morrison!!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...-latest-update

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Reece

Now public gatherings are restricted to 2 people, that is just stupid!!!!
Typical of Snot Morrison!!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...-latest-update

Its not. Really, its not at all. It should even be limited to two people only if they live in the same household, else - in public everybody all alone. The perfect group size these days is "1".

Don't forget to wear your masks. Seriously.

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Change of paradigm coming. Or better: is already here (didnt I say that already three weeks ago...) , we just are still stuck in our adaptation process and still deny the new, unwanted reality.

https://translate.google.de/translat..._11821876.html

[Skybird]

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/...t-350-trillion


Bulls Eye. Just that I think it will not work, but break in the process of implementing it. Chaos necessarily must be the consequence. Chaos in the menaing of: constructive destruction to destroy what is rotten and make room for a new start.


French evolution, anyone? Flushed away an overaged aristocratic caste. Why not flushing away money-Keyensians as well? They are not any less rotten by now.


The lives saved in hospitals now (or not), may be the lives being lost in what comes after this. The collapse of a civilization - its absolutely possible, it is a realistic scenario. And I mean not just the US, but the whole West by this, and the global financial order.
If it happens, we should not shed a tear for it.


An old curse: "May you live in interetsing times." Times promise to become very interesting for sure.

[Jeff-Groves]

And I'm called Anti-Social for not wanting to be around people!
Guess what! Everyone is being forced into my life style and now it's becoming cool!

The Lunatics now run this asylum!
And being paranoid is not a mental disease any longer!

[ET2SN]

Originally Posted by Skybird

French evolution, anyone?

Remember what happened to the guy who led the French Revolution.

[Skybird]

This struck me. Somehow I so far had completely escaped to realise this, although it is so open for every eye to see.

There are already several strains of corona virusses around, causing for example the common flu.

And we still have not a single vaccine for any of them after all these years.

[Jimbuna]

The UK is facing a "significant period" of strict measures to cope with the coronavirus outbreak, Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has said.

He declined to predict exactly how long the instructions to stay at home could last, saying the date the virus peaked would depend on how people behaved.

Mr Gove said it was "vitally important" to follow social distancing rules.

It comes as Boris Johnson has written to all UK households saying the crisis will get worse before it gets better.

In the letter, being sent to 30 million homes, the prime minister warned stricter restrictions could be put in place if necessary.

The number of people who have died with coronavirus in the UK has reached 1,019, with the latest 260 deaths announced on Saturday.

There are now 17,089 confirmed cases in the UK.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52082781

[Jimbuna]

UK PM Boris Johnson warns things will get worse before they get better.

One of his ministers warns the period of lockdown could be "significantly" long.

More than 30,000 people have died worldwide.

Spain has a new grim daily record of deaths - 838 in 24 hours.

President Trump backs down after saying he is considering a quarantine on New York and two other states.

Australia limits gatherings to just two people.

In Europe, the number of people killed passes 20,000.

Portugal grants residency to all migrants who have applied, because of the pandemic.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

The UK is facing a "significant period" of strict measures to cope with the coronavirus outbreak, Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has said.



The number of people who have died with coronavirus in the UK has reached 1,019, with the latest 260 deaths announced on Saturday.

There are now 17,089 confirmed cases in the UK.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52082781

Listening on the radio in the early hours some medical folk did research and estimated the UK death toll will be around 5000 to 6000 under the lock down measures. Without the measures 250,000 deaths, rather shocking.

As for our government to slow just like others around the world, so hold on this is going to be a long hard road ahead. Lets hope those morons and panic buyer's get this in their heads....FAST!

[Jimbuna]

Coronavirus: Italy lockdown 'doomed to fail' amid looting and police checkpoints

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...-fail-21666512

[Skybird]

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...2-bb0fe4e3615c

Dr. Marco Buschmann MdB, is First Parliamentary Managing Director of the Free Democrats in the German Bundestag.
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The cohesion of German society is impressive given the corona crisis. But nobody should be mistaken: people will not put up with this for a long time. To put it bluntly: revolution could soon be in the air if this continues. If the German middle class at some point finds that their company is going bankrupt, their job is lost or their stock savings plan is worthless, then it will radicalize.

This is not scaremongering, but a lesson from history. French historian Alexis de Tocqueville already taught that, in periods of long prosperity, the citizens of a state are becoming increasingly sensitive to unreasonable demands. It follows that revolutions do not take place when people face worst times. They tend to when a sudden slump occurs over a long period of great prosperity.

The German sociologist Theodor Geiger recognized the political radicalization in Germany in the 1930s as a reaction of the middle class to their social decline in the Great Depression. US political scientist Samuel Huntington believed that the middle classes tend to radicalize if they are concerned about losing their social status compared to other groups. And US political scientist Francis Fukuyama recently recalled that the social decline of middle classes was a driver of aggressive polarization.

The resolutions passed by the German Bundestag on March 25, 2020 are intended to give citizens and businesses a little time to react to the external shock of the corona crisis. But the little time that the state can buy society and the economy in spite of huge sums that have been mobilized will soon expire. Until then, medical scenarios and political considerations are needed. You have to answer the question of when it is responsible and when it is even necessary to reduce the current exceptional situation of social distancing and finally to end it.

For these considerations it will be crucial whether already approved and sufficiently scalable producible medications alleviate the course of the disease of a Covid-19 infection, interrupt it, prevent the need for intensive medical care and can significantly reduce the mortality rate. Such drugs could then be used quickly and over a wide area. The health hazard could relax considerably. All clinical studies that serve this purpose must receive full financial and administrative support.

For these considerations, it will be crucial whether faster and more reliable procedures for mass tests become available. Because then it would be possible to identify and isolate people who spread the virus faster. Then it would also be conceivable to create "safe havens" in which people can stay and interact freely, who have been tested negatively and who continue to undergo close tests. The reliable level of knowledge of high-risk groups must be considered in this assessment. If they could be protected in a targeted manner so that health risks for the rest of the population would drop to the level of a severe flu wave, as the virologist Alexander Kekulé recently put it, then an end to the general lockdown would not only be possible responsibly, but would even be necessary in terms of fundamental rights. And a possible radicalization of the middle class must also be considered in this consideration.

Because the radicalization or even the breakdown of politically ordered relationships can also cause incredible suffering. A key prerequisite for us as the state, society and the national economy to survive the corona crisis in good shape will be a new focus on the middle class in Germany. Without complaint, she has ensured for decades that the state is adequately provided with taxes and levies in order to finance infrastructure, education and social compensation. This includes the automotive mechatronics engineer like the retail clerk, the construction worker like the policewoman, the teacher like the entrepreneur or the freelancer.

In recent years, they have played little role in politics. Huge pension packages and the expansion of social benefits dominated there. If the German middle class should get the impression that, given the threat to their social situation, their concerns and needs do not become the focus of German politics and lead to a clear change in priorities, then no responsible politician should say that he could not have known what happens then. Then at some point revolution will be in the air.

I would add that all this must also mean that no longer precious financial ressources get wasted in maintaining unsustainable zombie business and moral-soaking eco-insane pet-hobbies like the eU's wanted "Green deal" (its a planned-economy-red deal in fact), e-mobility at any cost, demonization of Diesel and gasoline driven cars, making electricity ever more expensive intentionally (in Germany, you maybe do not know that it costs more over here than anywhere els ein the west, and every year they push the price further upwards, and the more renewable energy gets produced on a day, the more it costs instead of costing less. ), and all those regional and national fantasies about switching off modern safe powerplants to have the renewables with instable, unreliable renewable energy. We simply cannot afford these ideology-driven follies anymore, they were the product of bored minds that enjoyed too long an era of luxury, peace and beign not challenged or put at risk by anything or anyone.

This game we have now is about much more substantial factors and needs. Riding the moral high horse is no longer an acceptable option. The many deformations and philosophical excesses that have summed up in the EU over the past 30 years and turned it into a political junk show, must be seriously cut back.

[Mr Quatro]

In case you need more proof that Covid-19 is very contagious

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/...-for-covid-19/

66 Residents At Carroll County Nursing Home Test Positive For COVID-19

MOUNT AIRY, Md. (WJZ) — State officials announced Saturday an outbreak of COVID-19 at a nursing home in Carroll County where a total of 66 residents tested positive, with 11 currently hospitalized.

Officials said the outbreak occurred at Pleasant View Nursing Home in Mount Airy, Maryland.

Something about living close together causes the outbreak in nursing homes.

What about jails? Perhaps this is why jails are letting so many people go.

What about USN aircraft carriers? One already has 23 sailors with the virus and has just now decided to check the other 5,000 sailors onboard.

The problem is so bad in the USN that the defence department has decide to stop reporting the names of their ships that have sailors with the virus.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

But measures being implemented and considered are not the same as results. There are people who prepare for an alien invasion, but that doesn't mean one is actually imminent. Medicos must always prepare for the worst case scenarios and they are no less susceptible to fear mongering than anyone else. I'll be surprised if we end up needing half the stuff currently being demanded.

That may very well be but would you rather go into battle armed, or on a waiting list?

And I have wondered what will be done with all the thousands of ventilators after the pandemic settles down? I say that because my job is in-house maintenance of patient care equipment. Anesthesia machines, some ventilators, all manner of patient monitoring and therapy devices, IV pumps, lab equipment, etc. My exposure level is almost completely contact with equipment that gets cleaned but is still dirty in the hard to reach places and most of it can't be sterilised.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Skybird

This struck me. Somehow I so far had completely escaped to realise this, although it is so open for every eye to see.

There are already several strains of corona virusses around, causing for example the common flu.

And we still have not a single vaccine for any of them after all these years.

That is because common flu (not meaning influenza here) is not dangerous for most people. Whole process of developing and testing new vaccine takes 6 to 18 months (depends on disease, luck and other factors) and requires significant investment not only in money but also in personel resources. Why use such time and resources for disease which is dangerous only to very small minority which can be treated in available medical facilities?

Seasonal influenza is completely different thing. Unfortunately you can't known in advance which strain will be dominant each season. Therefore content of influenza vaccine is essentially an educated guess: sometimes its spot on, sometimes not so.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Seasonal influenza is completely different thing. Unfortunately you can't known in advance which strain will be dominant each season. Therefore content of influenza vaccine is essentially an educated guess: sometimes its spot on, sometimes not so.

That is usualy the case. Here I am told it is an educated guess and the seasonal flu vaccines (which seniors like myself get free) usually cover the three most likely strains that the experts feel will be present.