UK Politics Thread

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

See ya Sunday then.

Any other politics is alright but not the B word.

Quick turn the news off its started......


OH WAIT NEWS IN BORIS TWEETED THIS DEAL OR NO DEAL NO EXTENSION.

Quick Jim dust off you're police uniform you could be on the news escorting Boris to prison for breaking the Ben Act.

If this is true....

[Jimbuna]

Is it Sunday already?

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Is it Sunday already?

Just a quick one that was..

Please no not Sunday, I need a rest from work.

[Jimbuna]

On the deal, Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage says: “It’s just not Brexit.

“If this was to be agreed, we then enter into years more negotiations for the prize of a free trade agreement which we already know we will not get.. unless we stay in regulatory alignment in the European Union.”

He says this then means “we will not be making our own laws in our own country” and says the treaty “binds us in to other commitments on foreign policy, military policy - a list as long as your arm”.

“I frankly think it should be rejected,” he says. “The best way out would be simply to have a clean break.”

He says that he thinks it will be “very difficult to get the DUP on board”.

Mr Farage adds: "Would I rather accept a new EU treaty that is frankly very bad for us? Or would I prefer to have an extension and a general election? I will always go for the latter option."

From the press conference in Brussels, Michel Barnier says: "This agreement has been built together with the UK, that's why I am confident it can be supported and ratified in time."

He adds there should be "no surprises" in the agreement as "much of the final text" is the same as Theresa May's Withdrawal Agreement - which was voted down three times in Parliament when it was put forward a year ago.

Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon warns that a "much harder Brexit beckons" if Boris Johnson's deal passes.

In a series of tweets, she says: "For Scotland, this deal would take us out of EU, single market and customs union - all against our will.

"It would leave us as only part of the UK being taken out without consent and with no say on the future relationship. The SNP will not vote for that."

She says MPs should not fall for the framing of a choice between a deal or no deal. "No Brexit/revoke is always an alternative to no deal," she says.

And she repeats her call for a new independence referendum, saying: "Brexit has shown that the only way for Scotland to be in charge of our own future, is to become independent."

No surprises with the initial individual reactions then.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

[Skybird]

Me too keeps hearing that it practically is the old "deal" and has the UK still closely tied to the EU. I indeed get the impression that this "Brexit" is a menaingless one, more or less an empty hull, exit by name, but not by meaning and content. The only thing that changed is a cosmetical one: "Backstop" is now spelled differently. Or am I wrong?


Seems I was too early in my early assessment.

[Catfish]

And that in the "Express", just of all?

"Furious Nigel Farage explodes* after LBC caller accuses him of 'selling a fantasy no deal' "

" “Theresa May’s deal was on the table and in the last three years we’ve had £66billion wiped off the UK GDP. “We’ve lost three percent of our GDP.”
When Mr Farage told Raphael “you don’t know that”, the caller cited research from financial analysis company, Standard and Poor's.

He said: “Standard and Poor's released a report - they are the credit rating agency and I do know that they've published that report, it is there for everyone to see.
So a deal obviously needs to be done as soon as possible.”


He continued: “The longer we leave it, the more people collect money on speculation off of the price of the pound.”
Claims have circled about donors to Vote Leave and Boris Johnson’s leadership campaign standing to profit from a no deal Brexit by betting that the price of the pound will fall.
Raphael said: “So really and truly we need a deal done and dusted so we can stop people siphoning money off the UK economy.”


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...al-clean-break


I would not trust one word from the Express or the Sun anyway.
But this underlined* headline had me hoping...

[Skybird]

Johnson maybe wins a very powerful ally in the battle of Saturday: the 27 states of the EU themselves. Oh the irony!

If the states agree to not accept any request by London for another extension, then the house in London will be in a position where it either accepts the deal - or gets a no deal brexit.

Junckers already indicated that he sees no further reason why an extension should be accepted, since a deal has been reached. Whatfor another extension then?

Oh yes, the irony! British humour, special delivery.


The house has crushed three deals by May that were in favour of the EU. I think there are quite some minds in Brussels who have not forgotten that. Sympathies for the British parliament may run thin in Brussel currently.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Me too keeps hearing that it practically is the old "deal" and has the UK still closely tied to the EU. I indeed get the impression that this "Brexit" is a menaingless one, more or less an empty hull, exit by name, but not by meaning and content. The only thing that changed is a cosmetical one: "Backstop" is now spelled differently. Or am I wrong?


Seems I was too early in my early assessment.

This puts a little flesh on the bones regarding finer detail but I'm not convinced Parliament will vote for it because there are way too many factions within its walls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50083026

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Johnson maybe wins a very powerful ally in the battle of Saturday: the 27 states of the EU themselves. Oh the irony!

If the states agree to not accept any request by London for another extension, then the house in London will be in a position where it either accepts the deal - or gets a no deal brexit.

Junckers already indicated that he sees no further reason why an extension should be accepted, since a deal has been reached. Whatfor another extension then?

Oh yes, the irony! British humour, special delivery.

Parliament can blame nobody but themselves then because they've painted themselves into a corner.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

This puts a little flesh on the bones regarding finer detail but I'm not convinced Parliament will vote for it because there are way too many factions within its walls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50083026

By that article, it does not sound too shabby. Ignoring for a moment the chance for devils hiding in details. It seems neither side was given a card blanche to endlessly blackmail or overrule the other, which is good - its the heart of "compromise". The description on how inner-Irish duties get handled and controls by UK and EU officials, sound acceptable to me (by this article).

[mapuc]

The little I know

I would say I'm convinced the Parliament with Corbyn is after the voting on Saturday, giving your Prime Minister and order to ask EU for another extension.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by mapuc

The little I know

I would say I'm convinced the Parliament with Corbyn is after the voting on Saturday, giving your Prime Minister and order to ask EU for another extension.

Markus

Because a second agreement has been reached the EU have said there will be no more extensions, meaning if Parliament reject the deal come Saturday the UK will leave with a no deal Brexit by default.

A cunning plan thought up by Boris and the EU me thinks.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Because a second agreement has been reached the EU have said there will be no more extensions, meaning if Parliament reject the deal come Saturday the UK will leave with a no deal Brexit by default.

A cunning plan thought up by Boris and the EU me thinks.

That is is also what I understand, from watching the news here in Denmark and Sweden-This is the final deal, no other will be made.

Accept it or leave without a deal.

I am however pretty sure your parliament will demand Boris to do anything, even get on his knee and ask EU for an extension.

I do remember what Skybird told me some weeks ago.

"You don't understand, the Parliament will/are not interested in leaving EU"
So if he's correct, which I do not doubt he is.

The Parliament will demand this.

I could be wrong I hope the Parliament will come to their sense and understand the situation.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Because a second agreement has been reached the EU have said there will be no more extensions, meaning if Parliament reject the deal come Saturday the UK will leave with a no deal Brexit by default.

A cunning plan thought up by Boris and the EU me thinks.

Our geliebte Führerin Angela Merkel already has somewhat collided with Junckers and seems wanting to torpedoe the calculation. Her wording in her comment indicates that she wants another extension allowed by the EU if the parliament in London "does not freely decide" in favour of the deal.



The Germans at it again. Once it was total war. Now it is total moral. Nicht zum Aushalten. Please, other EU nations: stop Merkel.

[Skybird]

All EU nations heads of states have agreed to the deal.


However, once again they refused to say that they will not agree to an extension once parliament has rejected the deal on saturday (which seems to be a certainty). Instead of finalising things, they already seem to kindle again, or what?!