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View Poll Results: Who do you think will win the 2020 US Presidential Election?
Mighty Trumpster 30 54.55%
Good ol' Joe 20 36.36%
Ross Perot 5 9.09%
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Old 11-07-20, 03:44 PM   #436
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No matter who benefits and who suffers from a thorough investigation into any voter fraud or vote counting violations, I'm all for it. Check the whole thing carefully and let the legal votes determine the outcome. I'm pretty confident it will not materially affect the outcome, Biden has won the election.
Agreed but I think you are missing the point here. Claiming significant fraudulent processes have cost Trump the election will be the source of another myth and thus Biden's presidency for some people will always be illegitimate, no matter what the outcome of the investigation will be. And when American people will look back at President Donald J. Trump in a couple of years what was said and done in the last couple of days will be considered the longest lasting poison.
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Old 11-07-20, 05:43 PM   #437
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Der Tagesspiegel (Berlin) headlines it this:

The destroyer leaves, the rubble remains.

Neal, if I do not miss something there:
of all attempts of when the Trump minions tried to sue, almost all - all but one - got dismissed by the judges due to lack of evidence, and the case that resulted in a court rule in favour of the Republicans, was a minor nuisance of completely irrelevant proportions. Not a single evidence so far has been presented. Not one. But the FBI investigates in case of two armed Trump mobsters trying to access a counting centre by force. The recount in Georgia also is meaningless, is due to the tight race there and fully according to their laws, Biden gained too many other votes in the other states as if Georgia means anythign anymore. OSCE observers said the election was in all states remarkably transparent and legal and valid, so was the counting. Not one major complaint by them. Not one. Nothign that was more thna the usual to be expected small number of mishaps and accidents that happen at EVERY election in EVERY country, npothign on a sclae that even came close to being of decisive proportions. NOTHING. In two states where Trump started to slam the Democrats for manipulating the count, the governors are Republicans and the top directors of the whole counting process supervising it all are Republicans as well - not Democrats.

Forgive that I say "in those two states" instead of giving the names, but after all its a foreign coutnry and I do not store every city name and geographical detail of your national map on mind, I just log the general content of the news messages. It were two sates were Trump became the loudest about.

An hour ago they had two representaives on German special report program, from Republicans Overseas, and Democrats Abroad. The two could not have been more different. The young lady for the democrats reached out, was polite, tried to be fair and balanced and indeed she was very constructive and inviting and fair. The Republican immediately reloaded Trump conspiracy lies and even reported fake news on FBI investigations , something for which he was rewarded a solid and superfast fact-check and correction by a German foreign correspondent in Washington, and the man then vaguely and mysteriously outlined future threats and delays to everything and that the nTrumpistas will fight and fioght and fight. Clearly a propagator of party before country, lets leave n othign but brunt soil.

But it is you Americans needing to live on this burnt soil, people. You two sides have to learn to talk with each other again. A house divided will not stand.

The Republicans Overseas representative still lived in his alternate universe, denying reality. The moderator later adressed him again, it was all done via cable, and he got only a frozen picture in return. I think it possible that the technical "malfunction" was an emergency measure initiated to stop the man from abusing the prime TV broadcasting for more propagnda of this kind - we all over here are so very very sick and tired of listening to this bull again and again and again. I also hold it possible thzat maybe - maybe - the man freaked out in the other studio and the wire therefore was cut, hiding it behind a tehcnciual malfucntion. I hold this possible - I do nto say we know that it was this way. It was very unpleasant to watch him just after Trump had been formally defeated. Heck, one should know when enoguh is enough. Its enough. Its freaking enough of this madness by now. STOP.

But I fear a Republican led senate will just try to turn the whole political country into charcoal. "In order to save it, we have to destroy this country." Nothing good can ever come from this attitude that puts "retaliation and revenge" over "future".
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Old 11-07-20, 06:12 PM   #438
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Love doesn't see one's blemishes, but I'm starting to see Donald Trump's blemishes

It was easy to forgive him for being who he is a megalomaniac
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A megalomaniac is a pathological egotist, that is, someone with a psychological disorder with symptoms like delusions of grandeur and an obsession with power ...
After all he did do a lot of good things like stand up to Iran and China, increase our military so strong that we can survive four years of Biden/Harris.

I didn't think the tax breaks for the rich would work, but they did work for the Stock Market and the rich hiring more employees ... now that money will be needed to pay for the pandemic crisis.

Trump lost big time like by 4 million votes and over 50 electoral votes

Without a miracle Trump is on the way out and I personally don't want to hear about him anymore after January 20th

I won't bash him I will just pray for our country to be healed and for the US Senate to stay strong against packing the Supreme Court
or Medicare for all or open borders or forgiveness of student loans or amnesty or against fracking or pro-green to the tune of trillions of dollars.

Thanks to everyone that chimed in I think it makes us a stronger forum
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Old 11-07-20, 07:10 PM   #439
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Is "Skybird" a synonym for hyberbole? Asking for a friend.
Not that I am aware of. But if one stands far enough on lets say the left side, the rest of the world appears to be right only, and vice versa.

For us foreigners from all across the world, the rifts in your society look deeper and wider than the great canyon, and I expect deepening hostility and deepening hurt from that, because Biden being there or being not there: I cannot see him "healing" it. The mutual hostility and the desire for retaliation and revenge, for pay-back, amongst Republican politicians around McConnell, will see to prevent serious "healing", so will the Trump clan whom I expect to not give up control of the party, but driving its fangs and claws deeper and deeper into it, they press for becoming another lasting dynasty in the American history of many political dynasties.

If you see that assessment, due to its inherent pessimism, as "hyperbole", so be it. I have some historic examples on mind from Europe that make me being anything but optimistic - plus I have always differentiated between America as the idealistic utopia it was meant to be by its founders, - and the practical reality. The first I can mostly subscribe to - but from the latter that past four years have fundamentally alienated me. And I am not alone in that. I probably represent a global majority with that. The view of America has substantially changed, and not for the better.

See, you do not have four years of Trump and then seriously expect the world not having reacted to that desaster and not having altered its view of the US - that would be absolutely demanded too much. That Trump was possible to happen, says something. And its nothing good. And it can happen again: easier than I am comfortable to imagine.

To me, it was a psychiatrically ill madman being at the top of the remaining one superpower. A psychiatric patient. That this was possible to happen, is reason for biggest worries and should happen only in B-movies or top comedies. The fundaments on which it happened, have not changed or disappeared.

It can happen again.
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Old 11-07-20, 08:11 PM   #440
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I will just pray for our country to be healed and for the US Senate to stay strong against packing the Supreme Court or Medicare for all
What’s wrong with Medicare for all?
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What’s wrong with Medicare for all?
Designed for seniors and SSI for men and women that are already hurting and qualify for a need ... not for fat, middle class, men and women that have nice cars and $100 tennis shoes.

Fund the ER's all over America to the tune of $5 billion dollars a year that are in the red would be a better option.
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Old 11-07-20, 08:19 PM   #442
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I don't imagine he'll be as gracious to Biden as Washington was to Adams at the first transfer of power: "I am fairly out and you are fairly in."
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I won't bash him I will just pray for our country to be healed and for the US Senate to stay strong against packing the Supreme Court
Thanks to everyone that chimed in I think it makes us a stronger forum
FDR tried to pack the court; so that plan won't
fly anytime soon; and, as George Washington also said: "the Senate(6 yr terms) is the saucer to cool the Congress's (2 yr terms)hot cuppa joe"-generally composed nice old fat white conservatives...mostly men!
 
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There is a tradition that Jefferson coming home from France, called Washington to account at the breakfast-table for having agreed to a second, and, as Jefferson thought, unnecessary legislative Chamber.

"Why," asked Washington, "did you just now pour that coffee into your saucer, before drinking?"

"To cool it," answered Jefferson, "my throat is not made of brass."

"Even so," rejoined Washington, "we pour our legislation into the senatorial saucer to cool it."1
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Designed for seniors and SSI for men and women that are already hurting and qualify for a need ... not for fat, middle class, men and women that have nice cars and $100 tennis shoes.

Fund the ER's all over America to the tune of $5 billion dollars a year that are in the red would be a better option.
Health care should be a right for citizens, life in the western world isn't as cheap as it was in 1776 and a health care system paid for by tax payers and the government is about as socialist as Public Libraries, the Fire Brigade or the Police force. With Trump's lack of interest in foreign conflicts he could have quite easily taken a trillion or two out of the Military budget and funded a decent health care system whilst shutting down the health insurance blood usurers.
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Agreed but I think you are missing the point here. Claiming significant fraudulent processes have cost Trump the election will be the source of another myth and thus Biden's presidency for some people will always be illegitimate, no matter what the outcome of the investigation will be. And when American people will look back at President Donald J. Trump in a couple of years what was said and done in the last couple of days will be considered the longest lasting poison.
Well of course. There will always be questions about this election. Dimocrats never accepted the 2016 election results and always viewed Trump as an illegitimate President. As the old saying goes, you reap what you sow.

You can be certain the GOP will do all they can to block Biden's agenda and make him a one term president.

I have to admit I don't know why foreigners are so happy about Biden. You have to be pretty naive to think there will be substantial changes in U.S. foreign policy. For example, Biden will still try to kill Nord Stream 2 and pressure the Germans to stop being freeloaders and contribute their fair share to NATO.
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Old 11-08-20, 10:30 AM   #447
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Ok, the election has concluded. So, I suppose we can close this thread and direct all US political traffic to https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=228628

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