Hitler really was a socialist

Rockstar · 07-13-21, 05:59 PM

Skybird · 07-13-21, 06:40 PM

That video lasts over four hours. No chance I will go through that. No chance I can imagine anyone here will.

But I say since years and years that the Nazis - were socialists. It inthe party name, and its in their implementation of economics and monetarian policies, and their understanding of communal order and the purpose of the state. Hayek knew they were socialists. von Mises knew they were socialists. And this author, again Austrian school of economics, argued in favour of it, too.

https://mises.org/library/why-nazism...m-totalitarian

And they are right. They are spot on. To me it is one of the biggest triumphs that political propaganda has ever managed to acchieve in all human history that the Sovjest could convince the world afterwards that there was a natural antagonistic rivalry between them (the Reds) and the Brownies, between the Left and the Right, and that the one - the right - was evil and that the left - the Sovjet - stood for the good.

They both are twin brothers, Socialism and Nazism. They are offsprings of the same thinking and mental attitude. Which might explain why left dictatorships and right dictatorships so often, almost always, show the same brutal face of tyranny, barbary, torture, and totalitarian dictatorship to force people under their yoke. What is the same, does the same, for the same motives, and the same results.

Hitler explained in an adress to the party in February either 1944 or 1945 (I always mistake the year) that to him there were no principle differences between Nationalsocialism and Bolshewism. Ideological differences were not what had brought Stalin and Hitler to go after each other's throat. Not at all.

I have always strictly refused to chose between Communsits and Nazis, the Lefties and the Rights, and to see the one as bad and evil and the other as good and the salvation, and to support the one and condemn the other. To me they are both two sons from the same family, the one worse than the other. There is nothing reasonable to choose between them, because it is a choice between two lethal poisons, a choice between been Cyanide and Strychnin. The one is not one inch better than the other. Both kill.

I therefore dispise both the left and the right. And I applaude when they go after each other and crack their skulls open, instead going united after us libertarians. Because free people is the only one thing they both hate even more than their tyrannic ideological twin brother.

Catfish · 07-14-21, 02:06 AM

Let's say I strongly disagree with the above.

Rockstar · 07-14-21, 08:00 AM

I love the comments:

“Hitler can’t be a socialist because I’m a socialist and Hitler was bad.”

“You can look up Nazi economy on WIKIPEDIA”. Comedy gold!!

Wikipedia, seems to be the favorite go to source for all the liberal socialist types. Those koolaide drinkers worship it as their oracle of truth, that and MSNBC and Russiagate conspiracies.

Rockstar · 07-14-21, 09:05 AM

Warning to all you bleeding heart socialists and liberals Wikipedia wasn’t around when the author wrote this book. He actually lived it.

The Vampire Economy. Doing Business Under Fascisim

https://www.amazon.com/Vampire-Econo.../dp/B0052YQ1CK

Rockstar · 07-14-21, 09:53 AM

Nice thing about the above videos is he indexes them by topic. So you can jump to a particular subject of interest. Seems to me socialists, liberals, Democrats are all taking ideas straight from Hitlers Nazi playbook.

AND get this, he lists well over 100 sources of his research. Sadly the socialist liberal oracle of truth Wikipedia isn’t included.

Skybird · 07-14-21, 10:51 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnter_Reimann

For completeness. The author apparently was a far left marxist economist and activist. One should have that in a back corner of one's mind, as context relation.

Rockstar · 07-14-21, 11:12 AM

Thomas Sowell one of the greatest thinkers in the U.S. started off his career as a Marxist. Of course he eventually came to understand the nature of it and became a supporter of capitalism.

When asked what changed his mind. He simply said: “Facts”

Skybird · 07-14-21, 04:52 PM

Indeed the German Wikipedia entry is more precise than the quoted English one. Reimann travelled the Sovjet Union, and according to German Wikipedia came to the conclusion that "Stalin's state socialism with added industrialization was not functional and practicable". He also was awarded Germany's highest civilian order, the Bundesverdienstkreuz (dont know for what, they did not write that).

I did mention his left background more as an illustration that it was ironcially a Leftie describing Hitler's ideology as socialist, not just some confused mind, or a libertarian like me. Usually Lefties describe Hitler/Nationalsocialism as an antagonist to socialism, not as an equivalent.

People get blinded too easily on the Nazis, becasue of the strong racism card they added. Not that racism in socialism is new, or antisemitism, but the perfectionizing of the genocide against the Jews by industrialising the process of massacring them is what catches all the attention and gives Nationalsocialism the appearance of being something different than just socialism combined with nationalism - and a murderously intense racism and genocide whose victims served as scapegoats. But Stalin did pretty much the same kind of things. The difference is - he won the war, Hitler lost it. And so the political ideology books got written the way they were written.

mapuc · 07-14-21, 05:16 PM

I remember having a thread about Hitler's political standpoint some years ago. I wrote it because a FB friend said he was a far right wing politician, My friend belonging to the left wing was convince Hitler was far right.

As mentioned then-I don't know if Hitler is far right or far left I only know he was a very evil person with million of life on his conscience

I do not understand why a left wing or a right wing person need to put Hitler on the opposite site of the political thing...He was very evil and it's important we do not repeat history and put an evil person in charge again.

Markus

Rockstar · 07-14-21, 06:16 PM

Markus socialism and capitalism have been around much longer than Hitler and Marx. I think one reason why socialists squirm and deny Hitler was a socialist is best summed up in one of the comments found in the above videos.

“Hitler can’t be a socialist because I’m a socialist and Hitler was bad.”

Catfish · 07-15-21, 01:42 AM

The comments in the first link are really worth reading

, but apart from this idea cooking up every year at some time, Hitler was not a socialist. Stop quoting monarchist Mises or the internet and read some books.

Can you imagine that those terms or concepts are not enough or not suited to describe a particular ...ism.

Sean C · 07-15-21, 04:26 AM

It's literally in the name: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.

Skybird · 07-15-21, 04:32 AM

It cannot be what should not be... The whole bipolar model of ideological warfare by the left would be deligitimized, and that cannot be allowed.

In case of doubt, just shoot the messenger.

Dowly · 07-15-21, 04:46 AM

"Those of you who deny that Hitler was a socialist [dramatic pause], you're actually denying the Holocaust. [..] Marxist holocaust denialists refuse to accept Hitler's socialism."
-Rockstar's new Youtube butt budy.

07-13-21, 05:59 PM	#1
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,828 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Hitler really was a socialist __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

07-13-21, 06:40 PM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,478 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	That video lasts over four hours. No chance I will go through that. No chance I can imagine anyone here will. But I say since years and years that the Nazis - were socialists. It inthe party name, and its in their implementation of economics and monetarian policies, and their understanding of communal order and the purpose of the state. Hayek knew they were socialists. von Mises knew they were socialists. And this author, again Austrian school of economics, argued in favour of it, too. https://mises.org/library/why-nazism...m-totalitarian And they are right. They are spot on. To me it is one of the biggest triumphs that political propaganda has ever managed to acchieve in all human history that the Sovjest could convince the world afterwards that there was a natural antagonistic rivalry between them (the Reds) and the Brownies, between the Left and the Right, and that the one - the right - was evil and that the left - the Sovjet - stood for the good. They both are twin brothers, Socialism and Nazism. They are offsprings of the same thinking and mental attitude. Which might explain why left dictatorships and right dictatorships so often, almost always, show the same brutal face of tyranny, barbary, torture, and totalitarian dictatorship to force people under their yoke. What is the same, does the same, for the same motives, and the same results. Hitler explained in an adress to the party in February either 1944 or 1945 (I always mistake the year) that to him there were no principle differences between Nationalsocialism and Bolshewism. Ideological differences were not what had brought Stalin and Hitler to go after each other's throat. Not at all. I have always strictly refused to chose between Communsits and Nazis, the Lefties and the Rights, and to see the one as bad and evil and the other as good and the salvation, and to support the one and condemn the other. To me they are both two sons from the same family, the one worse than the other. There is nothing reasonable to choose between them, because it is a choice between two lethal poisons, a choice between been Cyanide and Strychnin. The one is not one inch better than the other. Both kill. I therefore dispise both the left and the right. And I applaude when they go after each other and crack their skulls open, instead going united after us libertarians. Because free people is the only one thing they both hate even more than their tyrannic ideological twin brother. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-14-21, 02:06 AM	#3
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,894 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Let's say I strongly disagree with the above. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 07-15-21 at 09:14 AM.*

07-14-21, 08:00 AM	#4
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,828 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I love the comments: “Hitler can’t be a socialist because I’m a socialist and Hitler was bad.” “You can look up Nazi economy on WIKIPEDIA”. Comedy gold!! Wikipedia, seems to be the favorite go to source for all the liberal socialist types. Those koolaide drinkers worship it as their oracle of truth, that and MSNBC and Russiagate conspiracies. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 07-14-21 at 08:32 AM.

07-14-21, 09:05 AM	#5
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,828 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Warning to all you bleeding heart socialists and liberals Wikipedia wasn’t around when the author wrote this book. He actually lived it. The Vampire Economy. Doing Business Under Fascisim https://www.amazon.com/Vampire-Econo.../dp/B0052YQ1CK __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 07-14-21 at 09:49 AM.

07-14-21, 09:53 AM	#6
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,828 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Nice thing about the above videos is he indexes them by topic. So you can jump to a particular subject of interest. Seems to me socialists, liberals, Democrats are all taking ideas straight from Hitlers Nazi playbook. AND get this, he lists well over 100 sources of his research. Sadly the socialist liberal oracle of truth Wikipedia isn’t included. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 07-14-21 at 12:38 PM.

07-14-21, 10:51 AM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,478 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnter_Reimann For completeness. The author apparently was a far left marxist economist and activist. One should have that in a back corner of one's mind, as context relation. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-14-21, 11:12 AM	#8
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,828 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Thomas Sowell one of the greatest thinkers in the U.S. started off his career as a Marxist. Of course he eventually came to understand the nature of it and became a supporter of capitalism. When asked what changed his mind. He simply said: “Facts” __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 07-14-21 at 11:46 AM.

07-14-21, 04:52 PM	#9
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,478 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Indeed the German Wikipedia entry is more precise than the quoted English one. Reimann travelled the Sovjet Union, and according to German Wikipedia came to the conclusion that "Stalin's state socialism with added industrialization was not functional and practicable". He also was awarded Germany's highest civilian order, the Bundesverdienstkreuz (dont know for what, they did not write that). I did mention his left background more as an illustration that it was ironcially a Leftie describing Hitler's ideology as socialist, not just some confused mind, or a libertarian like me. Usually Lefties describe Hitler/Nationalsocialism as an antagonist to socialism, not as an equivalent. People get blinded too easily on the Nazis, becasue of the strong racism card they added. Not that racism in socialism is new, or antisemitism, but the perfectionizing of the genocide against the Jews by industrialising the process of massacring them is what catches all the attention and gives Nationalsocialism the appearance of being something different than just socialism combined with nationalism - and a murderously intense racism and genocide whose victims served as scapegoats. But Stalin did pretty much the same kind of things. The difference is - he won the war, Hitler lost it. And so the political ideology books got written the way they were written. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-14-21, 05:16 PM	#10
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,859 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I remember having a thread about Hitler's political standpoint some years ago. I wrote it because a FB friend said he was a far right wing politician, My friend belonging to the left wing was convince Hitler was far right. As mentioned then-I don't know if Hitler is far right or far left I only know he was a very evil person with million of life on his conscience I do not understand why a left wing or a right wing person need to put Hitler on the opposite site of the political thing...He was very evil and it's important we do not repeat history and put an evil person in charge again. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

07-14-21, 06:16 PM	#11
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,828 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Markus socialism and capitalism have been around much longer than Hitler and Marx. I think one reason why socialists squirm and deny Hitler was a socialist is best summed up in one of the comments found in the above videos. “Hitler can’t be a socialist because I’m a socialist and Hitler was bad.” __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

07-15-21, 01:42 AM	#12
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,894 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	The comments in the first link are really worth reading , but apart from this idea cooking up every year at some time, Hitler was not a socialist. Stop quoting monarchist Mises or the internet and read some books. Can you imagine that those terms or concepts are not enough or not suited to describe a particular ...ism. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-15-21, 04:26 AM	#13
Sean C Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 904 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 2	It's literally in the name: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. __________________ If you have a question about celestial navigation ... ask me! Celestial Navigation Spreadsheet

07-15-21, 04:32 AM	#14
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,478 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	It cannot be what should not be... The whole bipolar model of ideological warfare by the left would be deligitimized, and that cannot be allowed. In case of doubt, just shoot the messenger. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-15-21, 04:46 AM	#15
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,005 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	"Those of you who deny that Hitler was a socialist [dramatic pause], you're actually denying the Holocaust. [..] Marxist holocaust denialists refuse to accept Hitler's socialism." -Rockstar's new Youtube butt budy.